the identity will be lost either by rework or a massive nerf. (actually hoping for nerf for buff later… how long who knows)
i feel this way because of what is happening to most heroes. partly due to whiners, 5v5 format and yea people just not wanting to deal with something challenging.
look i get it, being one shot sucks and having to respect a hero that can do that isnt fun. i can see that argument and i too hate being one shot from time to time but the funny thing about that part is that i think i’ve been instagibbed by roadhog more than any other hero. in fact i think widow headshotting me is pretty rare… partly since i respect when she is around and play walls.
of course no one wants that gamestyle. i guess a lot of players want the overwatch brawl type game where its a tankish moba fest. thats cool and all but everything is becoming so homogenized and same-ish. not everyone being soldier 76 type of thing but everything being watered down. started with symmetra, then mei, then doomfist becoming a tank then roadhog getting neutered although he somewhat is coming back to his old self (i get one shot by him from time to time)
so… basically a lot of you want widow GONE and if the developers listen and rework the one-shot to be gone or keep her in a F-tier state later then so be it i guess 
i mean i have another hero that i love that got changed and kinda dumpstered and that is the hero i currently am playing the most of any hero … sombra.
thats the funny part in my experience. i play heroes that contradict each other and a hero that became a silly counter to the other one. still i find both extremely fun but of course both are probably the most hated heroes ever (except maybe launch brig back in the day hehe)
so kinda wonder what will happen after the “MYTHIC” season. of course they will make their $$money$$ then yea i think its bye bye widow for a while.
i havnt even played her much really since playing my new main sombra the past 3 years. even in her “neutered” state i have been winning a ton in quickplay with her. guess experience can make it work and of course it isnt ranked where i match up with “better” players. most players i go against dont know how to deal with a veteran sombra heh. its like what one poster said a while ago…
its like getting kicked in the nuts when you go against her 
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a nerf? maybe. a rework? never.
Widow is one of the most iconic, most known heroes of Overwatch. She is the Archenemy/rival of Tracer, THE Hero/ Face of Overwatch. Its highly unlikely that they change her in a way which would result in the loss of her Identity.
And looking at Hanzo, I think the Devs have learned how important a Single mechanic can be to a hero and they would be blind if they not know how important the Oneshot is to Widow.
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Lmao widow is not challenging
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Maybe you should start giving a few examples. Personally I think that the less a hero is intractable, the more changes does a hero need. Widow and Sombra are two extremes, because there is little to no interaction involved when fighting those heroes. One has stealth and an easy way out and the other extreme range with a one-shot that you cant react to.
Both heroes have no place in a game where you need to play around objectives, play with space and team synergy. I really hope that they nerf Widow into the ground or rework her to be a more poison type hero. She has a lot of potential and that she is the only character in the game that does not really play with her abilities should be a warning sign for many.
The only difference between Widow and Sombra is that Widow is a launch hero and they dont want to change a hero that was in that state since the beginning.
We need to also factor in that Widow is a lot easier to play and get value off. Not only because of S9, but also because we dont have a shield tank in every match. This was overlooked completly.
TLDR: Widow needs a rework or send to the shadow realm. Its better for the game that the least interactable hero is on the chopping block.
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It wont she is as iconic as widowmaker, she is not a rework hero like sombra, both her sales and surveys do very well outside this forum bubble of support heroes and 10 t500s and that one game theory guy who whines about oneshots,
people simply do not have any idea how detrimental to game balance that would be and the headache it will cause to balance issues to overall roster, touching widow means touching 20 other heroes its the last thing you want going into war with rivals and 6v6 bringing back.
Its not happening.
She needs nerfs not rework since s9 to aimbox and fall off, unlike these hypies that whine about her now, i could say the issue with s9 20 mins into the patch.
she has been op since s9.
and needs these nerfs.
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i dont really think she needs a nerf at all since she is more niche than say a hero like tracer. i have never had a problem with tracer being meta for numerous seasons since her skill curve. i mean widow doesn’t have that curve as much but yea your average joe isn’t going to grandmaster with widow unless constant practice and fast reflexes
problem with widow is if they nerf her yea she will be more balanced at the 1 percent but for everybody else then what would be the point. more of a throw pick than now since most of the time the widows i face are basically doing that (your average games which is my experience)
so basically a rework to make her more smooth across all ranks WHICH means probably would be losing the one shot and being more like ashe 2.0
so yea basically what im saying is that nerfing a hero like widow would only effect the 1 percent in balance but for the rest of the playerbase it would be devastating so logical conclusion is a rework would be best
She needs reverts let’s be honest here she doesn’t need that projectile box on hitscan.
Falloff again won’t matter to anybody cause the shots outside 40 MTR have always been rare.
That’s as fair a set of nerfs as you are going to get.
Tracer was nerfed too cause of sombra going to 225 hp.
A hero that did 6 dmg for 200 hp is now doing 5.5 for 250-300 hp heroes.
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It’s amazing. Just the kind of OW we wanted. It worked on Sombra so no Fs given. The real crisis now is who do we go after Widow. I feel like one of the shimadas would be a good start just to make people angry.
if hitbox revert to previous version before s9 buffs then i think a +25 health would be a good compensation. i wonder if that would be the plan if changes for widow
of course compensation probably wont happen and i can see people fuming about that lol
either a +25 health buff or a buff to grapple by say 2 seconds. i use to love the 8 second grapple heh but it would probably 10. its 12 now right? forgot
I know you traitor 
Asked the dragons 
it’s num num num num num time to feed some traitors.
I don’t think she needs compensation how do you go from whining her identity may be lost to haggling for compensation, is compensation like a sombra main thing 
What I’m saying will keep widow safe , just out of reach of masses but good for mains and otps.
It’s funny how now your favourite heroes are being hunted for the same reasons of “unfun” and “unengaging” and “have to play a boring playstyle cuz of her” and you’re the one running from thread to thread defending them. Hypocrisy has its downsides buddy and you are now experiencing them and I am enjoying watching you reap what you sowed.
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i think so since like what i was saying about the difference in ranks with a hero like widow
basically a buff/nerf like that would probably be more of a nerf at top but the compensation better for the average widow
basically trying to make it where she can be better at lower ranks but more balanced at top
My heroes are not hunted for the same reasons at all.
This is exactly what you don’t want with a hero like hanzo or widow, you will get reworked when masses play them.
sombra was totally the opposite till the virus rework made her better at lower ranks but still being meh at top. i mean of course she was good but not like a widow or tracer
still the virus broke her in the bottom ranks as people say but that isnt the case really. it just made her unfun. before virus she was better since still could be strong at top but not as unfun for lower ranks. they had to buff her for lower ranks with her kit before instead of going to virus.
still probably the worst decision with sombra… i liked her previous version before virus
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Shes about spiders, Venom. It makes perfect sense for her shot to be poison DoT. Just do it and let ppl have a chance to be saved
You should be afraid. Complainers have been systematically destroying our game with their childish moaning and groaning since launch. They can’t handle it when the game isn’t everyone standing at point-blank in front of each other like a bunch of stupid people. They’re freaking stupid people who want to be rewarded for stupid.
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Honestly good.
She’s held entire lobbies hostage for years and we’re so far past the point of her needing to be addressed. They failed at reworking the problematic maps so now we’re left with the only other option: A hard rework to remove the one shot or nuke her to F tier so she stops being such a problem.
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compensation was used as soon as virus rework was made its not a new thing.
Also sombra was good at low ranks cause of perma stealth, its just she was nerfed enough to not be a problem always every since she got perma stealth.
Remember s2 of ow2 launch.
I did hate virus rework too. I liked her first version support sombra.
She wasnt op with virus rework at all, if anything more weak the issue was the amount of annoyance she cause for pressing H, widow atleast still has to click heads to be trouble.
eitherway its the same principle widow being accessible will kill her, her floor was always supposed to be high.
its why she is a qp hero for most people.