No cooldowns needed, no ults needed, no mechanical skill or risk needed. Tank mains dream of such power to command space- by merely being visible from 100M away (with 4-5 allies between you and threats). Beta Bastion with 1K Sentry Barrier is less challenging/frustrating for anyone to counter.
Widow needs a rework of some kind. Being balanced on paper doesn’t make hide-n-seek fun for the other 40-something. That’s why other reworks have happened.
At least comp will get hero bans eventually. That’s a way to get rid of her.
The good news is that she’s getting banned with extreme prejudice by what I believe will be a large swathe of the playerbase
You can count on them STILL being unwilling to change her even if she were to reach a >90% ban rate. I think Alec(?) said something along the lines of looking at changes to oft-banned heroes, but we all know Widow is exempt, otherwise she wouldn’t still be like this after years.
I really feel like 1-shot snipers just don’t belong in a hero shooter like this.
The game is all about the big 5v5 team fights, while Widow is all about getting picks. If Widow does well, the big team fights the game is all about end before they even start. All from a range that the vast majority of the cast can not even meaningfully interact with her.
She feels like she is a holdover from when nearly every shooter was Counter-Strike or Call of Duty and has her 1-shot more for historic reasons instead of an actually considered design choice. Games like Valorant are built from the ground up around 1-shots and the exceptionally low TTK. A sniper there can still be 1-tapped by a myriad of other weapons depending on their armor choice. Here, Ashe has to hit 5 consecutive headshots (2.6 seconds of perfect aim) at 50m, while Widow’s falloff doesn’t even start until 50m.
Yeah look at how widow will supress all widow maps from comp players list
Not if I’m on the team. Lifeweaver takes priority.
I refuse to let my teammates play him lol.
Wwwwwinston!
A real party animal.
I’m NOT widow’s biggest fan. The design of the maps can make her insufferable.
But ‘no skill’, really?
At least give sombra a rework to be her main hard counter again, Give her perma stealth back would be a good step in the right direction.
Aiming is a soft skill though, this has already been determined way back in ow1. Other than game sense what else does she really need ?
Doesnt game sense pretty much cover everything that isn’t aiming? What do you mean? What else does she need besides game sense?
thats why in sniper maps she will be avoided by most players except widow players. we are here to play ow and would like to use the whole map, not just 20% of it
Its a broad spectrum, we can agree this isn’t a skill you can possibly learn. You either have it or you don’t.
u cant learn game sense?am i reading this right?
is forum widowmaker really real? she such a pushover in most games i play. i mean all i play is quickplay but i hardly run into the forum widow
are you all masters or in the gm level?
if i have a widowmaker teammate i know its gonna be a hard one to win. maybe thats why people complain about her… she is weak 
Since they nerfed her scope hitbox she’s been way more manageable. Before she was difficult to deal with even in low diamond but now it feels like I can actually reasonably duel her and she has a chance to miss the shot.
plat upwards she starts to be a problem. does not mean she wins the game but the whole flow of the match is changed cause some lady is standing a bajilion miles away where no one can touch her without burning cooldowns or skipping a fight to flank.all while contesting 80% of the map
granted i havent played comp for a while so her bullet size nerf mightve helped. seems like a bandaid solution tho, the problem is still there she just less consistent, still uncontested,still one shots, still controls 80% of the map
I thought aiming in an FPS would be a little more important. But all players need game sense. It covers a lot of subjects.
I’m not sure I agree with this. I feel ‘game sense’ is definitely something a person can learn. It’s a skillset, not an innate trait.
That is correct, it would explain the hundreds if not thousands of widow makers out there who have 1000 + hours.
*stares blankly into camera*