As a member of the Plat community, she was not nerfed just becuase of High rank. She was a issue in plat, not some unkillable 1v5 moster, but they were able to land their shots enough to be consider a threat.
Personally i think most people complaining about Widow was the QP community, she and hanzo were not healthy for QP since the sill range is vast in QP
If she got her one shot removed I feel like no matter how much utility you would give her most people would give up on playing her because she simply would not be fun. Literally the only fun part about playing widow is her one shot. How I would personally like for them to adjust widow is to nerf her range even more to 40m but buff her hp , grapple and rework her second ability. That way skilled widow players can still dominate lobies ,but everyone else would get more counterplay since she would be forced to play closer.
Outside of GM, people complained about her being “unfun”, not OP broken.
That does not change the fact they were still complaining. Plus,blizzard is not exactly known for balancing the game according to GMs because that is not the place from which they get the majority of their revenue.
Also,my rework would make her viable on more maps,not just ones that have long sightlines. However,hanzo would become a major issue,since there would be no one to keep him in check.
Look at symettra, many players only played her because of her lock on beam. They got rid of that feature and many stop playing her because of it. Just becuase some people enjoy a specif feature of a character doesnt mean its healthy for the game. Sym beam was not Healthy for the game so they got rid of it, same with 1 shots on primary fire. There are hundreds of changes or reworks that people have sugested over the corse of 7 years, many of which keep her 1 shot but it a fair way. Look at the april fools idea. She kept her 1 shot but it wasnt a instant 1 shot. That is just 1 idea that could work.
In regards to the damage over time idea,I feel like that would bring about some support nerfs(because oneshots and killing supports is the main counter to healing) and (at least for me) would make widowmaker completely unfun.
The problem isn’t her damage.
Its how fast she can pick off targets with no consequences.
She can still keep her one-shot potential, I just wish it wasn’t every 2-4 seconds and there were more reliable ways to counter her.
Like i said its just 1 idea, its not “THE” Idea bust just 1.
Oneshots are just the fastest way to deal with healing. excluding winston, every single hero in the game can out damage healing, ana is the only one who can out heal some damage. So while burst damage is the fastest way to deal with sustain, we dont see people picking widow or hanzo to counter healing, we see people pick flanker to kill the supports instead. So getting rid of 1 shots wont effect the game that much.
IMO
Contrary to her voiceline,widow is pretty weak up close,so maybe try going on her as sombra.
I think the main reason widow is getting picked is to actually counter sustain(and because she is very fun too). The reason you usually see flankers being played against supports its because they are easier to play,and you can play them on every? map.
Oh she defently is picked for that reason, but i dont think she is the first choice people pick when they want to counter sustain.
Yep. People are gonna play flankers becuase they have a way lower skill floor then widow does. Also many people also just dont like snipers so theres that as well.
This isnt universal but a common sentiment. Widow is not fun to play agaist, and some dont even like playing her. Its Symettra all over again. People didnt enjoy play agaist sym and many didnt play here becuase she wasnt fun to play as. They did 2 whole reworks to try and fix sym, some of the changes were good others not.
Widow is the same, but she doesnt get rework instead we either suffer from her hands or she gets nerfed so hard that no one plays her. I dont want that to happen. I want people to enjoy playing the character, without her ruining the game for everyone else.
We’re on the same page here. However,I don’t really see a rework which would keep her one shot,keep her fun to play and make her fun to play against. I am surprised that people keep complaining about her because the nerfs should have helped and her pickrate plummeted. If this keeps up,I think she will probably get the roadhog treatment.
Sadly this nerf only really affected like 3 maps, it was a slap on the wrist more then a nerf.
Yeah Sombra can annoy a Widow but only briefly. You have to weigh on committing your translocator to accessing Widowmaker’s vantage point, meaning your escape plan is unlikely to succeed or use it as a method of retreat to keep Widowmaker busy.
The latter being Widowmaker has a 2-15 second window to pick off your team uncontested (depending on team comp) which is enough for 2-3 kills depending on Widow player’s ability. A delay/loss for your team.
Barely even 3 maps, maybe one/two sections on the map, rest of the maps are the same
So, reduce her ammo (nerf)
Reduce her damage enough that Ashe would be a better pick (nerf)
Nerf Venom Mine damage, but she can place them everywhere, which is potentially better (nerf with a potentially broken buff)
A new passive, which just restores her to her previous state with the addition of possibly having multiple mines stacked on them (nerf)
Ult charges faster (buff)
So glad you don’t work on the dev team. Ashe would make more sense no matter how you look at it.
Not really. I can only think of 2 spots that would require translocating to and widow does not stay in them for long.
This is true,but only for the first engagement your her.After that,if you win,you can just spawn camp her. If a widow beats you up close as sombra then the widow would beat you on any other dps she is decent on and the only thing you can do is gg go next.
These are the only maps/parts of the map that people were complaining about though? In the other maps widow is not played nearly as often as in those 3 (CR,KR,Havana).
Edit : junkertown too
I personally still see lots of widow on most maps and shes still HORRIBLE to play against, she should be nerfed harder imo or reworked.