Why're people still complaining about Brig?

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@Cake-12334

Because a lot of Brig’s weaknesses are “carried” by highest level players being in comms/have actual communication/followup on her bashes, where mid or lower tier you’re lucky if people even use the communication wheel, Brig’s so much more on her own in mid-low ranks

It’s true that she’s more “on her own” but trust me high level play does not have comms in like 50% of games. Nobody cares enough any more lol

@Cake-12334

They balance for end of ladder, while considering if it will make gameplay awful feeling for lower end. It’s just too bad they didn’t remember that second part for Brig when nerfing her 22x

Them saying they do and reality being that case are two separate things. They also say we’ll receive content and updates regularly? Have we? nope.

@Cake-12334

We all know Tracer and Ana are in the “untouchable” category, they are favorites of Blizz and will never really get nerfed even when reigning supreme for years on end

Agreed mostly, but I don’t think Ana is as much of an issue as people think.

@Cake-12334

I think Pharah is a good example. I think she’s balanced around mid ranks. But as you improve into highest skill tiers, she becomes virtually unplayable due to godly hitscan/snipers unless you are a savant with a slave Mercy

You’re right about this entirely, but I think Pharah is a success story then? She stomps low ranks because she’s fairly easy to play compared to her counters, and falls off when players get skilled enough at her counters. I’m not saying it’s ideal, but it’s one of the best case scenarios. And on top of that VERY good players like YZNSA can still make the hero work to that level of play. People should be rewarded for being good at a hero, and they are with pharah, albeit that hitscan is STILL overtuned more so than pharah is for example.

@Cake-12334

This is the logic I’m talking about with Brig. She’s balanced for GM and OWL GOATS so she doensn’t dominate. They nerfed her 22 times so far to make sure of it. But everyone below those ranks now have an underpar healer. Her pick and winrate reflect this, for as long of timescale as you’re allowed to look back on overbuff. I made topics a year ago with the same data, looking 6 months before that point, and it was still the same case back then too

Okay then lets stop asking “why is brig bad for low ranks” when she isn’t bad it’s just a skill gap. Lets instead say “how do we fix brig so this isn’t the case”. Her current kit will either be ridiculously overtuned for good players and “balanced” for lower ranks and casuals or garbage for casuals but still broken for high ranks. Let’s change the hero entirely and fix that.

@Cake-12334

We agree on this, but I think she’s underpowered currently with how they chose to design her current iteration, especially the 5 seconds between shield breaking and starting HP regen again (that’s ridiculous and shouldn’t match Rein) Also she shouldn’t have -30% speed reduction when shielding just like Rein.

And then the final nail was her going to 200HP. Every other melee or close range hero in game has more than 200 (Doom, Mei, Reaper, Sym). Even other big hitbox hitscan now get more than 200 (McCree). But not Brig, the slow bulky shieldmaiden.

“But she has shield” Doom has shielding-gain for doing damage and ultra mobility, reaper has lifesteal and wraith, Mei has iceblock and walls, Sym’s hp pool partially regenerates and she has tele

I do agree though if they majorly buff her, she’ll take over high ladder play in an unhealthy way, so they’re stuck currently and backed themselves into a design hole with her kit.

She’s a fractured shadow of her former self and I just hope her OW2 kit will feel better, for everyone at all ranks

Again, if we give straight buffs without addressing why she’s strong for better players and fixing it it just ruins the game at high level play more so than it is currently. We can’t simply buff the hero- she needs a FULL rework. The way she’s designed she will always be problematic for one or the other or BOTH.

@Cake-12334

I’m just pushing back against claims that “she’s still OP and needs nerfs/she is too stronk/she does too much stuff!!”

She’s broken when played in an environment where the players know what they’re doing, and is played around. She does do too much, and its fairly easy to do those things once you understand that you are supposed to be doing them. The only skill expression the hero has is positioning, awareness, and landing SOME skillful whip shots occasionally. Despite what people think a lot of players aren’t trying to ruin the game for low levels by insisting that the easy heroes get nerfed- it’s just that those same easy heroes tend to also DESTROY high levels of play with how much they can do compared to the other characters.