Why would anyone play doomfist?

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Why would you pick doom, over any other tank right now? Outside of him just being fun.

Hardest tank to play, hardest tank to master, takes hundreds of hours to master and yet at most you’re probably still going to end up getting less value than the guy spending maybe 10 hours on the meta tank. So literally what is the point?

He’s not good for brawl, he’s terrible at poke, and there are 3 better dive tanks than him. So what is the point? Why should anyone, at any point ever put time into doom?

His counters only ever get better, meanwhile he gets nerfed??? And the dev comments for his nerf just show how there is almost zero knowledge or understanding of the game itself, from the game’s own devs:

“This change will give the stunned player more opportunities to react to Doomfist following a wall stun.”

What does this even mean?? “More opportunities”? What more opportunities do you need against a DOOMFIST. The guy arguably has the most counters in the game, what do you mean more opportunities. You have plenty of opportunities to counter punch entirely, before even getting HIT, let alone after a wall stun, that most likely you won’t die from because doom doesn’t have good damage.

It’s just a nerf, that takes the kill potential of a hero that already hardly has any, and then dragging it down even more. There’s ZERO logic behind it. There’s zero understanding of how the hero functions on a fundamental level behind it.

There’s no reason to ever pick doomfist. Hence why you never hear anyone, EVER ask “Hey can we maybe get a doomfist here?” it doesn’t happen. Everyone knows this hero is garbage. It’s so backwards, that it takes so much time to learn and master doom, but someone can just lock sigma and instantly get more value.

Oh not to mention, each patch keeps passing by, and each patch notes is missing any sort of fixes to his bugs.

DOOMFIST STILL HAS 60+ BUGS BY THE WAY.

The hero has so many bugs, that people who don’t play the hero, log on, play the hero a little bit, and don’t even REALIZE the things that are happening to them, are bugs! And then they go around saying “Well I didn’t get any so he must not have that many!!”

It’s gotten to the point where the only people who even play this character and can get any inkling of value… is OTP’s. It’s just straight up one tricks that can get value on doom. And even then, again, someone simply just playing any other tank will instantly provide more value because the hero is just useless.

You’ve got a tank hero, in a solo tank environment, who constantly has to go in and out and cycle his abilities. How do you expect a tank to function, when he’s feast or famine. How do you expect a tank to function in a solo tank environment when he can’t even physically hold the space he obtains, because he doesn’t have the survivability to do so, and he solely relies on his abilities.

This hero never should’ve left the DPS role, and if he did, he should’ve been a tank when he there was TWO TANKS IN THE GAME. He fundamentally doesn’t work for solo tanking.

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You won’t even win easy, even if you are in the top 1% of doom players.

I know, I’m in said top 1% of doom players. You need to play almost perfectly, and make so few mistakes just to even have a CHANCE at providing value equal to that of someone just playing the meta tank.

The skill : value ratio of this hero, is so out of whack, it’s disgusting. Hundreds of hours to master a hero, that you most likely won’t even get that much value on because he’s just THAT bad.

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Uhmm… he’s the most fun, gratifying, enjoyable tank to play as imo. Plain and simple.

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Ok.

Outside of being the most fun.

From an actual gameplay perspective. Of wanting a good tank on your team, or wanting value from your tank on your team.

Why would you ever play him?

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he’s arguably fun to play, he opens up a different dynamic of playstyle, where instead of standing in front of team to soak up damage, he diverts attention and soaks up damage by posing himself as a threat,

for that he has cc, movement abilities and his block ability, and some damage (which can hurt and even kill if ignored or played poorly against)

this playstyle may not be liked by the teammates, and may have smaller success rate in lower ranks, but it is a viable playstyle nonethanless, and different from Orisa who just stands in fron team and peaks in and out of cover, throws javelin, spins her E and becomes golden

yes, playing Orisa can be fun, but playing orisa for the 500th time can become less exciting, if the gameplay relies around spamming abilities, peaking in and out of cover and by essence just being this annoying block that refuses to die… - it doesn’t keep it’s fun for long,

  • even Rein is fun holding shield, but for the 100th game maybe I don’t want to Rein anymore and actually interact with enemy other way than being a shieldbot and a punching bag for enemy
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You could say this about any hero in the game.

If you buff a hero, their OTP’s will do better. That’s just how it is and how it will be for ANY hero in the game. Doom shouldn’t be discounted because of that.

He doesn’t need to be made easier to play, far from it. They’ve already made him easier to play in the switch to tank from DPS. The problem is the value he gets needs to actually MAKE SENSE, for the difficulty it takes to play him.

This hero being super hard but providing air at best, just doesn’t make sense.

But again, this just falls under the fun to play category.

In terms of gameplay and wanting value from your tank and wanting your tank to provide something.

Everything you listed can just be simply done better by at least half the tanks in the roster, while needing half the skill or knowledge of their hero to play.

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I assume he is alright if you cannot play any other dive tanks. I am horrible at Winston and I gave up on Ball. If it were not for Dva, I would ABSOLUTELY go Doom if I needed to dive something. You are right though, I wouldn’t actually do that because I can Dva. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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  • He’s a good Bastion counter, especially considering Bastion is a tank killer.

  • He’s a good D.va counter, so I don’t have to choose the obvious Zarya.

  • He’s extremely fast so I can reach my teammates faster than most tanks.

  • He can literally control the flow of battle, if you’re good enough.

Honestly I could keep going but now I just want to play Doomfist lol

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The play making potential out of Doomfist is more straightforward.

  • Hammond requires way too much lengthy set-up simply to get CC reset on the first person with a knockback move.
  • Winston can’t kill anything with AoE healing and evasive target. LW/Mercy is a pain in the as$ to kill or even dealing with a Moira. Very easily shut down by healing.
  • Dva is one of the slowest moving dive tanks, so its easier to just spam her down or counter swap a beam.

Doomfist is the one dive hero who has one of the fastest burtss and hardest to stop bursts. When you dive in on slam doing a massive AoE quake for increase hp, do 50 dmg, have a punch to stun someone, then go into a quad 4x shotgun to the face. Its very hard to stop that if you don’t have the cooldown on hand or a support with a supportive ability to prevent the kill.

He has quit ea bit of solo pick potential.

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what other tank directly skips over any blocks, traps and frontlines and “allows” himself to instantly enter backline?

what other tank then starts blocking damage which charges their punch to deal more damage?

what other tank chains knockup into punch or punch into knockup into shotgun fist shot?

what other tank has satisfying animations that seemingly throw the enemy around?

what other tank has ultimate that has immidiate threat of kill when landed, along with being able to cast it away from teams or even their fov to then make a sudden arrival?

what other tank has “and they say” voiceline?

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Because he’s the most fun tank to play.

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No… he isn’t???

Doom doesn’t counter dva.

Getting back from spawn fast is about his only positive.

That’s if he doesn’t get:

  • Stunned
  • Killed
  • Anti’d
  • Slept
  • Any of his shield gain negated

Here’s the thing. All 3 of those tanks have better survivability, so all 3 of those tanks are better. The tanks job is to soak up damage, soak up abilities, and STAY ALIVE. That is the bare minimum for a tank, take space and STAY ALIVE.

Doom cannot do that. Monkey’s bubble gives him insane survivability, dva HP pool alone is idiotic, let alone the fact she has 2 lives essentially, and one of the best defensive abilities in the game. + low CD mobility. WB can have up to 1000 HP, doesn’t have a head hitbox 50% of the time, and has constant mobility.

It’s not hard to stop that at all.

That’s what I don’t get. What elo are you guys playing in where people just allow a doom to slam in, punch someone, and then shoot them in the face 4 times. And LIVE???

No doom is using both of his mobility abilities in one go, to secure a kill. Because if they do, they will die. And trading a tank for anything ISN’T a good trade. It’s a horrendous trade. This argument worked in ow1 when he was a dps. Trading as a DPS is AT WORST equal value, cause you traded for only another dps.

But no doom is out here slamming in and punching. So at best you’re having to try and kill with only punch, or only slam. And that’s hoping that:

  • You don’t get stunned
  • You don’t die
  • You don’t get your damage negated
  • They don’t heal
  • You don’t get booped
  • They don’t have a mobility ability

There’s so many things that can COMPLETELY negate doom, it’s insane.

Monkey and ball

You just named an exclusive ability of doom’s and asked what other tank can do that. None, but everyone knows powerblock is the SINGLE WORST tanking ability in the game. Idk why you said this like it would mean something. Powerblock is god awful.

None. And neither does doom, because like I told the other person. NO DOOM, is using both slam and punch in one go, if they don’t have their ult to escape. If they don’t have an ult to escape and they do this, THEY WILL DIE.

???

You’re bringing up the WORST ULT IN THE GAME, as a proving point???

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oh please, the one character that gets countered by support doing their job, and the other character that gets countered by good positioning?

to me it sounds like you either don’t understand Doomfist’s playstyle or are a terrible Doomfist

unless the punch-slammed enemy dies first?

strange, why is “worst ult in the game” capable of oneshotting enemy team members, zoning, save doom, big engage starter or just general stay alive ability while his cooldowns reload during his ult,

I can only wonder

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Doom is fun to play and he can pull off some crazy techs. That’s reason enough.

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Doom…

GETS COUNTERED BY BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, and many more.

LMFAO

Doomfist OTP of about 6 years now, and have been GM for about 4 / 6 of those years. With both DPS and tank doom.

You make points that are known to be bad, and think that means something.

Powerblock, is a garbage ability. EVERYONE knows this.

And the punch-slammed enemy is where? Somalia 4500 feet away from his team???

If you use both mobility abilities, and kill that person. You will die right after because you can’t escape. And trading a tank for something, ISN’T A GOOD TRADE.

Because it’s a get out of jail free card as an ultimate… characters have that as literal abilities.

No one is getting one shot, by doom ult, unless they are asleep.

Give him slow on slam back, they never should’ve removed it. There was zero problems with it, no one had an issue with it.

Fix a HELLUVA lot of his bugs.

Restore his techs fully.

Make empowered punch take less to charge.

Completely remove the movement penalty of powerblock or severely decrease it. (Giving a mobility based hero, an ability that slows them to a crawl is just contradictory to their entire kit)

Give empowered state more bonuses. Whether it be empowered punch doing more, or even added empowered slam (since that also literally uses the doomfist gauntlet as well so it would work and make sense).

Decrease weapon spread.

Faster reload.

Rocket punch back to 3 seconds.

That’s just a laundry list of changes they could do to this hero. I prefer, the ones where we actually buff the rest of his kit OUTSIDE of just his rocket punch and punchbotting. That’s also another big issue. Blizzard’s obsession with doing their absolute best in making rocket punch the ONLY useful ability doom has. It’s ridiculous atp.

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oh sure mister Private Profile, and I’m T500 Battle Mercy one-trick that’s consistently placing top 100

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I don’t have a private profile. Haven’t had one since they introduced it, forums are just broken and have never actually updated to show people’s profiles after the move to ow2.

I haven’t been able to see people’s profiles on here for about a year now.

But since you don’t believe me ig:

https://imgur.com/gallery/7XkF7yt
https://imgur.com/gallery/xnuVIL7
https://imgur.com/gallery/0cpQ4kB
https://imgur.com/gallery/GsUa8gO
https://imgur.com/gallery/BfGIMYF

Sadly I do not have the screenshot of my season 16 GM when I actually first hit it because bought a new computer and I never actually saved that screenshot to imgur. Also, blizzard made the smart business decision of just wiping every ow1 season from people’s career profiles because… great idea I guess.

Also coulda been a solid top 500 last season, but got to 43 wins while still GM1 and just stopped playing cause I got burnt out.

50 wins to show on the leaderboard is asinine, especially when I’m trying to play the worst role in the game, and the one of the worst heroes in that role as well.

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Because high skill ceilings are satisfying to improve with.
And high mobility is something Ive always enjoyed in any character.

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ye but you mostly use it as mobility, either to get out or to reposition to go back in.

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I mean it’s funny how your “worst weak useless character” is your most played and with this “worst weak useless character” you are able to get to GM.

If the Doom as as useless as you portrayed him to be in the comments in this thread, then you couldn’t even touch GM.

If he was truly “worst character” GM players would just pick “better than worst character” and beat you for the sake of character diff…