So dumb getting double dinked by this hero from 40m with these massive bullets
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ESPECIALLY since the 225 nerfs, her headshot + body shot killing again, she absolutely needs a hitbox nerf…
Personally it’d be cool if they nerfed it all the way to 0.1 and gave her 80/85 damage to make her a rewarding but difficult marksman hero.
Or just nerf her hitbox and the only recompense buff could be allowing her to build bob charge while using bob (AS SHE COULD FOR 5 YEARS BEFORE THEY REMOVED IT AND FRAUDULENTLY CALLED IT A BUG)
Or just nerf the bullet size without any compensation
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Ashe has always been strong. Not a single day below B tier. She doesnt need compensation buffs lol lmao
Because they didnt to accept they play favorites for Ashe.
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Ashe is so boring to play against and mercy just puts the cream on the cake and makes the game awful
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And now boring to play as, since you just pull the trigger any time you see another character in the scope and it’s a hit.
At this point there’s no hope they’ll roll back S9, I guess? A change even worse than deleting a tank, somehow.
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Ashe, Cassidy, and Tracer have all needed bullet size nerfs for some time now.
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It always make me laff when someone pulls out the line that Mercy is the cause of DPS getting ruined. They’ll inevitably bring up Ashe losing her blue-beam-one-shot as this change that completely gutted the character, instead of her sitting comfortably in A tier somewhere for years.
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Unfortunately not. They have completely given up on this being an actual competitive game, and have entirely lean into catering to casual players.
That’s also why they continue to casualize the competitive mode instead of just enabling it to be for competitive players only and improving unranked / allowing players to earn weapon variants from unranked.
It’s why they continue to rework heroes like Sombra and obliterate their skill requirements while lacking the fundamental knowledge and understanding of the hero. But casuals complain and refuse to learn the game, so instead we’ll completely replace a hero with a brain dead version of her to satiate the wineries. (Which ironically made it worse for everybody)
They think that people getting upset about their matches is the same as people being competitive about the game. They have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about when they say that Overwatch 2 is a competitive game. It becomes less and less competitive with every single patch.
Everybody in OWCS using Pharah and you want to nerf Ashe. 
A hero with two long cooldowns subjected to dive and rarely in a competitive good spot between Widowmaker and McCree during the entire lifetime of Overwatch.
EDIT: And to top it off during a Winston/Dva meta.
That’s why the official forums are never taken seriously.
My math might be wrong but isnt 8 mm bullets like, pistol round? (Beneath 9 mm infact.)
they know pharah is op as heck if you know how to use her
People will always blame Mercy even when Mercy herself is bland and bad outside of pocketing OP hitscans.
Yes and? We are talking about the real game, not the make pretend hypercoordinated matches of 0.01% of the playerbase.
Dive meta doesnt counter snipers with mobility.
They join said Dive meta.
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Where is pharah being heavily played? All the matches I see are traditional dive with ashe.
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That’s a buff. 0.01 would be a nerf.
Also, Ashe dominates and has been dominating for several seasons. She does not need compensation.
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0.08m = 8 cm = 80mm; the hitbox sizes for hitscan projectiles are significantly bigger than the actual real bullet projectile sizes.
Ashe’s rifle seems most similar to a .30-30 lever action, though obviously it could be something different given the world of Overwatch.
Though as far as comparing to real-world weapons: pistol rounds are typically larger diameter than military general-issue rifle cartridges, but when you toss hunting cartridges into the mix, they exist in many diameters.
The most common 8mm round in the world currently is probably the 8mm Mauser (7.92x57mm), which was the standard full-power cartridge used by Germany during the World Wars and remains popular for hunting.
For context, ashes bullet hitbox is slightly larger than the tank shell fired out of a WW2 sherman tank (75mm diameter shell)
Or for a more daily reference, a soda can is 66mm in diameter.
Hockey pucks are 76.2 mm
Hopefuly you’ll feel worse when you miss knowing you’re shooting hitscan with collisions the size of a midsized cannon shell 
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You’re definitely right she’s always B tier, but I personally wouldn’t nerf a B tier hero without compensation.
All or most hero’s should be B tier… she is strong but has plenty of room between that and being OP.
BUT in this exact case, hitscan having large bullets disgusts me spiritually so I wouldn’t complain if it happened, but only if it was a hitbox nerf.
Well you see, Blizzard buffed everyone’s HP. Then they buffed everyone’s hitboxs, making hitscans even more broken. And then they nerfed mainly support player’s HP. This was obviously their plan from season 9. They just couldn’t do it all at once otherwise there would have been backlash.
So essentially, since season 9 supports have received massive nerfs meanwhile the majority of DPS and tanks have become insanely broken.
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Widowmaker was literally the 2nd best DPS in the game during the original dive meta when they buffed her mobility by 2 seconds
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