Why so much hate on counterwatch?

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Let’s talk about the problem on tank (not besides the buff) : counterwatch

Why so much hate on the counterwatch ?

Good points :

-The game allowed you to switch, not like LOL, R6, call of duty etc…
-If your opponent switches, it means you carry the game and you are dangerous for the game. You should take it as a compliment
-If you don’t switch (the classic Dva - Zarya), you lost the game and create toxicity because you feed your opponent, making the game unfun, for DPS and support
-If you don’t switch, it means the role tank doesn’t fit for you
-You get 12 tanks to play, why not test and playing, during QP, at least ?
-It’s a mindgame too, you have to know how to deal with your opponent. Not only the tank, but the DPS/support too. If you know which player carry the game, you know how to deal (switch or dive)
-You don’t have to fight against tanks, you can go on DPS and support. After all, you should create space, kill the opponent because of bad positionning, not killing the tank only

Bad points :
-Some tanks are not fun to play (Zarya, Winston, Reinhardt etc…)
-You don’t play good (at your level) all tanks. That’s ok, but you can learn 4 max
-6V6 doesn’t resolve counterwatch because you have another issue : synergy, which means unkillable tanks, so unfun games for supports and DPS.
-Balance the game in 6V6 will be complicated, because you have to rework all tanks too (JQ, Mauga, Ramattra etc…)

As a tank player, only one thing is a bad point for counterwatch : playing tanks who don’t like to play (I play Dva and it’s not funny to deal with Zarya, but I accept the rules and I can deal with).

So, why you don’t like counterwatch ? And what issues you can resolve ? And remember, 6V6 doesn’t resolve everything because you have synergy and making fun games for all roles

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Wow you are going to make some people seriously mad with this.

At the cost of being forced to stop playing the characters you wanted to play in the first place. Not because your opponent is out-skilling you, they just picked a hero who has significantly better odds of winning against yours.

Fairly certain most people know how to play all 12 at the highest ranks and still don’t find it any more fun to be forced into swapping simulator.

Yeah about that first thing I said…

Neither does 5v5. 6v6 is easier to balance though and doesn’t require tanks to be raid bosses that ruin it for the other roles.

No, you don’t. You just have to rebalance them like all the other tanks. As a matter of fact, the newer tanks actually solve a lot of the issues that OW1 had towards the end.

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I just want to know why so much hate

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in a shooter game I like to shoot, not switch

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The main problem is, people don’t like being told what to do. They want to play the heroes they want, but it’s too easy for players to just swap to a counter. They also hate feeling like they have to counter someone, even if they don’t actually have to. A friend of mine doesn’t switch off Reaper just because an opponent switches to Pharah, he just eats the rest of their team.

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Tell me your main and I will give you a fitting example that you can understand.

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Same

Only reason i mained ana is so i can shoot my dumb teammates

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i don’t hate counterwatch entirely, but i do give out a “sigh…” every time i wanna learn a tank (and they swap to every counter known to man, of course)

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cause pressing H is not skill

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I find rock paper scissors boring.

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Cause people will cry about “balance” in a game where right counter pick can turn the tides around in a game at a lot of times.

They tend not to realize the game essence is either you skill diff or counter diff.

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Is this a serious question?

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Who likes losing fights because their character is at disadvantage?

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Literally just use the search function. Hundreds of explanations why.

(this was meant as a reply to OP, damn forum software)

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I guess you don’t look my topic entirely…

It’s about tank, I talked. For DPS and support, you have another mate who can switch

That’s my feeling, but I am OK because I have to, to win. That’s a rule you can follow or not. But you know the consequence when you lost :slight_smile:

He is.

I guess, it’s a Reinhardt main, which explains why they don’t like it ?

people doesn’t know how to play a tank, thinking the balance resolves everything, but balance one makes an disavantage for another role / pick
They are new on overwatch 2, I guess

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imo you can always hold on to the same hero even facing hard counter
if you lose, that’s acceptable and reasonable, but if you win, that’s a huge compliment on your skill
you come to win or play the game, don’t let the game control what you do

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People hate counters because it puts them in a position where they may have to swap and they just want to one trick their guy

People also hate Sombra

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Ok, imagine on top of having to deal with zarya, there is also a mei, a sombra and a zen. I am sure you will be having a good time.

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Exactly.
I still cringe whenever someone says they don’t want to return to double shields when Ramattra, Junker Queen, Mauga and Orisa is going to run them down.

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It isn’t fun for a worse player to get huge value simply because they pressed H.

There’s nothing more to it.

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