Ok if anyone is confused by the title this is what I mean. Say a widow maker is really good on the enemy team. They are getting kill and what not. You see this and know you aren’t as experiece with widow and your play with her is below average. Yet you still switch to widow to try and contest the enemy. You get picked off even easier then and are faced with more embarassment.
I’ve experienced this as a Sombra main a few times in ranked. Like I’ll be doing my thing with Sombra and when its time for teams to switch. Sometimes one of their dps is playing Sombra. I watch them fail over and over and it becomes an easier game than the first half because they don’t have the same practice and experience. BTW this post isn’t to brag or anything but just to inform that it doesn’t help your team. I think a more obvious example would be with widow. It could be considered throwing
This is actually a terrible example for the point you seem to be trying to make. The best counter for a Widowmaker that’s owning your team is another Widowmaker. Even an average Widowmaker can limit the amount of work the enemy can put in and move it closer to a favorable fight.
If someone on your team goes Widowmaker to counter the enemy, they’re trying to win and you should help them. Shield them, pocket heal them, protect them from flankers, dive the enemy Widowmaker - whatever you’re good at.
I’m pretty sure I know what point I was making. Your um “opinion” won’t change that. A widow who is just bad compared to the other one is easy pickings. If they are a bad shot behind a shield well then you’re just waiting for the team to jump on you. The only way to help them quite frankly would be to physically pause the enemy team because I can gurantee you we are not waiting all game for a avg widow to get a shot in. I don’t get this ignorant idea of “teamwork” which is to peel for even the bad players. How about the bad players peel and get better rather than waste their time.
it puts fear in the enemy. they need to watch out for that hero now. even tho they suck the enemy doesn’t know and u only need 1 lucky kill to win a team fight. plus counters are kinda going away since u get peele. like look at widow. nothing really counters her except another widow. the other counters bring a bad side effect.
winston/dva/ball just bring her in check. never really kill her since she can just leave the area. sombra could be good but u know every widow has a pocket of some kind. so u need a 1 shot hero with range. best option is either widow or hanzo but hanzo is hard to hit far range shots so widow is your only option.
You basically described the core problem with widow atm.
Probably not a fitting example since the only good counter for a widow is another widow (unless, ofc, your team goes full dive )
you do know you would need to be consistent right? One lucky kill isn’t going to really do much for their team. Btw its not like the enemy team won’t know that they have a god like widow. They will keep her alive and keep you at bay. It would seem I would have to basically gamble my wins in the method you mention because you don’t win a game based on one lucky kill or even one won team fight.
How would you get picks if your widow (not just your personal skill but teamate) is underskilled and is taking a slot of something they could play to be more useful which would most likely be high shields or dive
1 lucky kill wins a point. it basically says the teamfight is over and lost. either get back and regroup or die.
which is why i said, widow is needed to counter widow. i gave you the thought process. u need a 1 shot hero with range so the team cant keep her alive.
your team can do the same for you. getting shot at as widow makes it harder for widow to hit shots. its called pressure. either your team can do it to help your widow or the widow could do it (if they know they arent as good as the other widow) to keep her pressured and at least not make her free.
its not a gamble. it gives your team a opening. while the widow is dealing with you, your team can go in. its either that or ignore the widow/ make a comp that directly counters widow (goats/quad tank). its the same tactic for pharah mercy. u make a comp to ignore it (not enough damage) or focus on it hard. if your team sucks, the only option is to make a comp to ignore it.
now i know ur in silver so it may be different. but in higher ranks like masters. landing a shot is easier even if your trash at widow.
A Widow that’s distracted by the threat of an enemy sniper can be much easier to deal with.
Sombra is an especially terrible example. What in Sombra’s offensive kit is so skill-intensive that Sombra v Sombra is a bad idea in any initial scenario? She’s a glorified support. If your Sombra is dominating over the enemy’s, it’s most likely because your team is capitalizing off your moves better than the enemy Sombra’s.
Basically, the enemy Sombra doesn’t necessarily need to be better than you. Her team just needs to capitalize on her. If her team can do that better than yours, then they’ll win.
As for widow, if enemy team has even better widow its usualy beneficial for my team if i am on widow. Few weeks ago i had game where enemy widow killed me like 7x and i killed her maybe twice. Before i switched to her she had easy life and we were dying to her. I kept her busy on widow even when my stats at the end was horrible. But we won.
When the enemy team has a widow, even a bad one (he still can click on your head when you are standing still in the open), you have to adjust your play style. You just cant simple click heads any more. But you will be more watching points where the widow will probably show up and be ready for her.
The game changes from just clicking heads to, click head… look around were enemy widow is… click head… see widow take cover… focus widow until he is dead. Its like playing pharah without counter and playing pharah with some hitscans in the enemy team. You play completely different.
The sombra counter only works on defense… being able to hack health packs before the enemy can even get to them, and playing defensively, is making the enemy sombra have less impact.
For most other heroes i agree. I often play(ed) a pharah and dominated. Instead of the enemy selecting a hitscan they swap to also a pharah? Very weird. But stuff like that happens without a real tutorial system in game.
Because unfortunately the best way to climb is viewing the “long journey” as opposed the “short journey”
The long journey is about climbing by improving as a player. This can mean taking a disadvantageous mirror matchup. If you want to climb you’re going to have to beat Widowmakers who are better than you currently. By forcing the matchup you may lose but you will improve as a player by understanding how the better player is positioning, aiming, and using the cooldowns. It may be better to switch to a third tank so the Widow cannot pick you easily and you might win the game. However you will not improve as a widowmaker by doing this. It may appear as if you are being stubborn to your team, but the best way to improve is by challenging yourself against those that are better than you.
This is why I loved playing in Diamond when I finally climbed out of Plat. I started in Silver on PC and was able to climb easily until Diamond. This was the elo where players really started punishing my mistakes on Tracer, because before then I could play hyper-aggressively and carry games. When I started playing against zens and crees that could actually hit me I had to learn how to crouch and strafe properly which made me a much better player even though it meant I was feeding for a long time. It was good that I didn’t just swap against a Cree that was better than me and instead learned to play against them.
uh oh resorted to rank shaming ty for coming. Let me explain something to you. YOU can be bad at certain heroes no matter the rank you are in. If I were to soley play widow id most likely drop a lot more SR. I’ve seen this junk before too they will throw their team’s game as widow then will be playing support or a role they have experience with next match
This isn’t rank shaming. It’s true for everyone from Bronze to Top 500. If you feel shame about your rank, it’s coming from yourself.
Every time you respond I get a clearer picture of why you’re having difficulty understanding what people are trying to tell you in this thread. Maybe you should try listening a bit instead of flying off the handle.
