Did everyone suddenly forget that we already had a triple tank comp long ago? Why everyone thinks that she is the main enabler when Rein is clearly the main component, and right along with him its Lucio?
She did nothing but boost this comp but its definitely not the exclusive reason why we have a triple tank lineup currently.
Im not trying to blame any hero, I just to everyone to see that Goats its not just Brig. (But I do blame her because she destroyed Dive)
i’ve seen plenty of goat comps work with brig replaced, i just think she makes it works best, because it helps counter if an enemy decides to run dive, or goat with a winston sub.
The double AoE healing between Lucio and Brig are largely what enables GOATS, but it’s really Lucio’s speed boost to brawl on point that enables it.
If you removed Lucio, GOATS wouldn’t exist.
Brigitte is basically a replacement for Roadhog back when the comp was Moira/Lucio/Reinhardt/Roadhog/Zarya/D.Va. That comp is still viable without Brigitte, but Brigitte is just as tanky as Hog and provides more team protection/healing.
Have you tried GOATS without Brigitte? It’s nowhere near as effective.
Yes, we’ve had triple tank comps before. They’re good for their durability, but they would not be super effective easy wins that they are in the current meta without Brigitte.
The old triple tank was countered by, you guessed it, dive. Either with tracer/genji or tracer/widow. Why did it counter triple tank? Triple tank couldn’t deal with the mobility advantage for one, second the supports we’re very vulnerable. Brig changed all that.
Because it does. If you take out Brig and put …Zen? What happens? And if you use Mercy … and Ana ? Yeah.
Brig provides armor via ult. Key stuns to coordinate attacks and AoE healing that stacks with Lucio as a passive (not lost like lucio when switches songs).
A GOATS comp without Brig is like a garden without flowers : Sure, it exists but … yeah not even close.
Mostly because people are biased. There are lots of people who play heroes that are countered by bridgette so she is focused by them as her being “no skill” and “op”.
One could easily argue for Ana or Zen in the slot. Ana provides huge AOE team heal and boosts Lucio’s output. Her nanoboost also allows a tank to go absolutely wild.
Zenyatta’s trance can ensure a tank full of teams goes from 5-20% to 100%.
Because she is the only thing that enables goats and you are just delusional. You are acting like we didn’t have an entire year+ where deathball and quadtank were either trash or extremely niche specific map point picks that you had to immediately swap off of if they didn’t work instantly. They keep nerfing all of the DPS though so maybe it will work without Brig eventually since all of the tanks and supports will deal more damage than DPS anyways in 2-4 months.
There are goats composition without Brigitte, mainly because Lucio can give most aoe healing and speed both.
Ana enables goats far more than Brigitte, just look at her pickrates which strongly say she is a must pick, in Goats too.
You can counter goats with coordinated defense, heroes that are shiel busters, kiting or hoghground. Goats lack damage due to their composition, also if goats is easy win for you, than dive was same easy win.
No one cries when Hammond manages to kill them,because in most scenarios it’s an earned kill.When Brigg kills you in most scenarios it’s everything but an earned kill.As Blizz said “It has to feel good for the person doing the killing,aswell as the person getting killed.”
Completely untrue. Moira is the usual main healer for GOATS. Ana is a viable alternative if you are playing against an enemy GOATS, because of the anti-heal.
I’ve seen Zenyatta used in some pro play for bursting down targets, but this only really works with pro-level coordination. For basic uncoodinated GOATS in competitive you need:
Lucio (essential for speed boost)
Ana / Moira (you need fat heals)
Brigitte (she enables the comp with group heals, armour, interrupts, burst heals, anti-dive and countering heroes such as Reaper); her sustain is what makes it so forgiving to play
Without Brigitte it’s not GOATS, it’s just some triple tank comp and you could take a DPS or fourth tank or anything in her slot.
Brig shuts down reapers and roadhogs from even attempting to counter goats. have you not noticed OP?
Brig basically just replaced a tank spot from the older 4 tanks + Lucio + Moira comp, which was more counterable compared to current 3+3. With brigs beefyness and AoE heals, moira can even be swapped out for a zenyatta or ana to fill the needs of the team. Heck, you can even mix around the tanks you use, such as going all dive tanks, and it works a majority of the time. That’s how simple and low skill the comp is, anything 3+3 with a brig can be considered goats and work
Ana and Moira do struggle healing multi tank on their own, but then you add Brig with her own heals and the fact, yes, she is a tank, and suddenly there’s enough heals for days, without sacrifice anything.
Either Brig is put in the tank slot, and loses her team healing capabilities, or Ana and Moira need a healing nerf, similar to what Mercy had (and bring them all together, which would be nice).
I mean yeah, an undertuned hero like Hammond managing to KO me feels like they fought for it because that hero feels so bad to play and is so undertuned idk what to say.
Flip side is me being taken down by a Genji or Tracer feels completely unearned and like I have no counterplay.
It’s not that she enables Goats, it’s that she prevents Dive. I’ll try and make a timeline for you:
May = Brig released, Dive starts to fall out of favour as it becomes easier to counter
May = Hanzo gets his rework, a short-lived Hanzo/Brig meta appears, with classic Goats a viable option, but not meta yet
June = First brig nerfs, Pros start to use Widow instead, and just switch to Brig if Dive appears. Double Sniper meta begins
August = Hanzo nerfs, Support changes, Ana replaces Moira in Goats. Pharah no longer a viable counter. Goats becomes the meta, replacing Double Sniper
September = A couple of anti-Goats comps; Doom/Sombra and Doats; appear. Both high skill so don’t affect ladder play
October = Pharah changes. Now back to being viable as a Goats counter
This was all started by Brig’s release, but I don’t view her as the enabler. The enabler is the combined forces of Hanzo, Widow and Ana pushing Pharah out of viability for a bit, whilst the multiple shields present in Goats made Double Sniper unviable. With it starting to look like Pharah might be back thanks to her heightened mobility, it wouldn’t surprise me if the usage of Goats starts to trend downwards a little now.