Why mercy mains are so toxic?

[TiefLesbian-1321]

I don’t see how pointing out how it’s you that’s toxic makes anything you’ve said any more “truthful”. Please, dont make confusions with the things.

[Inky-11160]

3/10 of the ow player base is mercy main

Any stats to back that one up or are you just basing this off of your own bias within a small pocket community that dislikes Mercy?

McCree main by the way, so don’t get any ideas.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

theories even more truthful.

I’m deceased.

[Veluna-11783]

There are only two kinds of healers

The salty kind derived from years of frustrations
The naive kind who are new to the role and will become bitter soon enough.

[fayescarlet-1614]

Because they want their hero to be over-tuned and OP again

Stop trolling. We’re constantly fighting against this rework BECAUSE it made Mercy OP and a must-pick. We want Mercy to be fun AND balanced again. The rework is an embarrassing failure. We don’t want her to be OP.

[Undertone-2728]

If fun is irrelevant to balance, then one of the major reasons for Mercy’s rework just flat out doesn’t exist. According to Jeff himself, a big part of why she was looked at was because Mass Resurrect was disheartening (AKA unfun) to play against.

No, mass ressurect was removed from the game because it was unhealthy for the game, it was unbalanced, it didn’t require any skill and it provided ridiculous amount of utility. Not to mention that it was abuse-able for SR gains, which is well documented. The face of OW has to speak in a politically correct manner obviously and has to be careful with what he says. That’s not an argument.

Don’t try to rehash a word when you don’t know what it means. And fun is relevant when it comes to balance. It’s a video game. It’s literally supposed to be fun, that’s the point. If you have fun with her, great. But there’s plenty of people that disagree with you and they have the right to voice their opinions.

Rehash which word? What meaning? Again, fun is not relevant when talking about balance. You cannot have an OP hero because it’s fun. That’s not an argument. Also the fact that you want to have fun shouldn’t be at the expense of literally everyone else including other Mercy mains (you don’t represent all of us). There’s plenty of people that disagree with you and they are silenced by the lynch mob and flagged for spam and trolling when all you literally do is spam Mercy threads 24/7 breaking the rules of the forum. Rules apply to you as well.

Cool. We’re not asking for her to be OP, though. We’re trying to make her less OP in fact.

Yes you are and luckily Blizzard doesn’t listen to you.

His previous thread talks about how Mercy mains should quit the game because Overwatch is a FPS game. I’m sure you two would make great friends. Both of you are on par when it comes to common sense.

Nice personal attacks since you don’t actually have any arguments. Of course you are the dude that thinks Mercy’s primary breaks on LoS so nothing to be talked with you.

Do we play the same game? Or your just want to insult people…

Who am I insulting where? Stop crying for oppression and abuse when literally your lynch mob silences and flags people just for voicing different opinions and not agreeing with you and spamming the forum 24/7 to further skew the perception.

All they want is Mercy to be fun , not to be OP or UP , JUST TO BE FUN.

Fun is subjective. This is not an argument that can be debated. I’m a Mercy player, I find her much more fun than before.

1.She has no weaknesses. - No weaknesses means no challenges.

Objectively wrong, her rez now requires effort and good decision making.

2.She’s extremely team-dependent.

So is every character in OW, particularly every support.

3.Has a spectator mode for a Ultimate and Statue Mode for E-ability.

If you play Valkyrie as a spectator, that’s your issue and speaks about your ability. By comparison to Mass Rez and pressing a button, Valkyrie is quantum physics and rocket science. Yeah, rez-ing requires a cost-risk analysis and is actually a skill to pull off.

4.Her healing output is so low(even if it’s consistent)

Keyword, consistent. Ana requires skill to play. You can’t have the same output between a non-skill intensive hero and a skill-intensive hero. Otherwise no one would pick the skill intensive hero, that’s basic logic.

Stop trolling. We’re constantly fighting against this rework BECAUSE it made Mercy OP and a must-pick. We want Mercy to be fun AND balanced again. The rework is an embarrassing failure. We don’t want her to be OP.

Ah, having different opinion = trolling. Gonna flag my post as well? Lynch mobs and all.

Mercy is fun and they’ve raised the skill floor and ceiling with the rework. And she is balanced after the latest changes. Good job Blizz.

[NeonLight-21797]

If you dare to speak about a nerf, you will get considered toxic.
If u say something about mercy, u are toxic and a troll in the forum.

Instead of asking buffs for mercy, why dont you try to nerf other heroes?
Mabye make some threads about other heroes than mercy, because after 1 year from her rework, is a little bit boring to see people complaining about her nerfs after all this time of “must pick”.

And please, dont take it personally (cit. Pharah), but we want more freedom. The devs did a great job about her last nerf giving more space to other heroes in the support lineup (like moira ana or lucio).

We want her fun. Nerfing this already utterly useless version of her makes her even more boring. THis is a game. In games YOU SHOULD HAVE FUN. And Mercy, as it stands right now, is not fun to play in comp. Ye ofc in QP/arcades you can go battle mercy and what not and go on absurd places with her mobility. But in comp? You can neither battle mercy (as there are DPS doing better job at dpsing than mercy) nor does your PERSONAL mobility affect the outcome of teamfights.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Nice personal attacks since you don’t actually have any arguments.

I’d shoot myself if I had to start an actual debate with you again. You’re incredibly vexing.

Of course you are the dude that thinks Mercy’s primary breaks on LoS so nothing to be talked with you.

Well I am right in the sense that if you obstruct LoS by moving behind a building the beam will break unless that opponent is close to the corner of said building. Unfortunately, he was talking about turning around which he decided to word weirdly instead of straight up saying it. But okey… I’m not the person going around saying that old Mercy was OP sooo.

[fayescarlet-1614]

Ah, having different opinion = trolling. Gonna flag my post as well? Lynch mobs and all.

Mercy is fun and they’ve raised the skill floor and ceiling with the rework. And she is balanced after the latest changes. Good job Blizz.

I haven’t flagged you, though I am tempted. Funny how you didn’t reply to the fact that we don’t want her to be an OP must-pick. Mercy has never been more easy and brainless to play, what are you talking about? Mercy used to require a high amount of strategy and quick-thinking, nothing that current Mercy has.

Valkyrie especially. A glorified spectator mode that removes Mercy’s weakness/shortcomings, and a bright glowing hitscan target practice. C’mon. If a rework takes more than 10 nerfs to become “balanced”, it’s a clear failure.

[TiefLesbian-1321]

Rehash which word? What meaning?

“Strawman”

Again, fun is not relevant when talking about balance

It absolutely is.

You cannot have an OP hero because it’s fun.

Again, that’s not what we’re asking for. She doesn’t have to be OP to be fun.

Also the fact that you want to have fun shouldn’t be at the expense of literally everyone else including other Mercy mains

How exactly is it “at the expense of literally everyone else”? Don’t say “because you want her to be OP”, because I’ve already told you multiple times now that that’s not the case.

There’s plenty of people that disagree

And there’s plenty of people that agree.

they are silenced by the lynch mob and flagged for spam and trolling

The only threads I’ve seen get flagged were ones that were legitimately trolling or inflammatory, which is against the rules and doesn’t further the discussion for either side.

all you literally do is spam Mercy threads 24/7 breaking the rules of the forum

Different people posting threads with similar topics isn’t spam or against the rules.

Yes you are

Nope. Just because you won’t/can’t read opposing opinions doesn’t mean your misinterpretations are true.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

become “balanced”, it’s a clear failure.

Funniest part is the fact that she isn’t even balanced yet.

[Undertone-2728]

I’d shoot myself if I had to start an actual debate with you. You’re incredibly vexxing.

So why are you replying to me then? Nobody is forcing you.

I haven’t flagged you, though I am tempted.

What are you going to flag me for? Having a different opinion than you?

Funny how you didn’t reply to the fact that we don’t want her to be an OP must-pick

You do, you want to bring back an ability that was blatantly unhealthy for the game for reasons I’ve already outlined.

Mercy has never been more easy and brainless to play,

Objectively wrong. Mass Rez had absolutely no counterplay. Valkyrie has counterplay, Single Rez has counterplay.

Mercy used to require a high amount of strategy and quick-thinking, nothing that current Mercy has.

Pressing Q on point sure required high amount of strategy. You are talking like I’ve never played previous iterations of Mercy mate.

Nope. Just because you won’t/can’t read opposing opinions doesn’t mean your misinterpretations are true.

Okay, tell me how she is going to be fun without being OP. Cause you are other points are literally of the “no u” variety. The overwhelming majority disliked Mass Rez and Blizzard removed it because they agreed with that analysis. A small minority of Reverts don’t speak for all Mercy mains, let alone for the rest of the playerbase. Regardless, tell me how is Mercy going to be fun without being OP, you never explain how.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

So why are you replying to me then? Nobody is forcing you.

Was just pointing out the obvious. Didn’t intend on starting a debate but if you want to (as long as it’s about Mercy) I’d be more than happy to oblige.

[TiefLesbian-1321]

Okay, tell me how she is going to be fun without being OP

Move rez to her ult and give her a different E ability, increase her healing back to 60 HPS. Easy.

The overwhelming majority disliked Mass Rez

Do you have evidence to back that claim?

[BadWidowEU-2419]

You do, you want to bring back an ability that was blatantly unhealthy for the game for reasons I’ve already outlined.

This is bugging me so I’ll just casually leave my response here:

Unhealthy =/= Overpowered

[Undertone-2728]

Move rez to her ult and give her a different E ability, increase her healing back to 60 HPS. Easy.

And surprise, surprise: No, thank you. Mass Rez was SR abusive, broken and unhealthy ability that had no counter play and didn’t require any skill. Also give her a different E ability - what kind of ability? Easy? You don’t even have a coherent idea mate.

Do you have evidence to back that claim?

Yes, Reddit/the forums. The fact that the ability doesn’t exist in the game anymore because Blizzard supported the analysis made back then.

Unhealthy =/= Overpowered

Because an ability with absolutely no counter play is not overpowered, and the SR abuse is not well-documented. Rrrrright.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Because an ability with absolutely no counter play is not overpowered, and the SR abuse is not well-documented. Rrrrright.

You said mass Resurrect is unhealthy therefore it is overpowered. Take note:

Funny how you didn’t reply to the fact that we don’t want her to be an OP must-pick.

Your response:

You do, you want to bring back an ability that was blatantly unhealthy for the game for reasons I’ve already outlined.

You are wrong

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Also, the SR abuse was fixed before her rework and most of us don’t want a straight up revert. Changes like a cast time and LoS fixes would be alright.

[TiefLesbian-1321]

Mass Rez was SR abusive

Only because of an exploit in the old SR system, which has since been changed and thus wouldn’t work anymore.

broken and unhealthy

Nope.

had no counter play

Even with invuln, it had plenty of counterplay. Regardless, most “revert”/rework including mass rez involve removing the invuln from it anyways and adding even more counterplay.

didn’t require any skill

It required as much skill as any other ult.

Also give her a different E ability - what kind of ability?

There’s plenty of ideas going around. Ideally, it’d be something moderately tame that provides a bit of survivability or minor utility, but not too much. My suggestion would be the flight and increased guardian angel speed from valkyrie, without the chain beams or uninterruptable regen, with something along the lines of a 3 second duration and 12 second cooldown, which could obviously be tweaked as needed.

Yes, Reddit/the forums

Just listing social platforms isn’t evidence. Otherwise, Reddit/the forums were in favor of mass rez, according to me.

The fact that the ability doesn’t exist in the game anymore because Blizzard supported the analysis made back then.

They removed it because it was “disheartening to play against”, but according to you, fun or whether or not something is “disheartening” shouldn’t matter when balancing, right? Regardless, just because Blizzard changes something doesn’t mean it was the right change. The were the ones that made her massively OP in the first place.

[NeonLight-21797]

No, mass ressurect was removed from the game because it was unhealthy for the game, it was unbalanced, it didn’t require any skill and it provided ridiculous amount of utility. Not to mention that it was abuse-able for SR gains, which is well documented. The face of OW has to speak in a politically correct manner obviously and has to be careful with what he says. That’s not an argument.

Nope. The 2 reasons given were ‘unfun to play against’ , ‘mercy stops healing to res’. Which are both double standarts. No ult is fun to play against. Also why can reaper, mccree, soldier etc etc can go hide and stop doing their job to pull off their ult?? Also, starlight, please don’t bring the ‘it was unskillful/unhealthy’
First off, no ult is skillful. Its press of a Q/triangle/Y. Second, we have no ultimate that can stop ult spam (u know, throwing 6 ults on the point to cap it). I think removing mass res was unhealthy for the game as ever since its removal, more and more people get sick of the game and quit it. (because of ult piling)…

Rehash which word? What meaning? Again, fun is not relevant when talking about balance. You cannot have an OP hero because it’s fun. That’s not an argument. Also the fact that you want to have fun shouldn’t be at the expense of literally everyone else including other Mercy mains (you don’t represent all of us). There’s plenty of people that disagree with you and they are silenced by the lynch mob and flagged for spam and trolling when all you literally do is spam Mercy threads 24/7 breaking the rules of the forum. Rules apply to you as well.

Mercy was considered throw pick in season 3-4. But she was fun. And she was fairly balanced. Single target strong healing, decent mobility, good utility. What we have now is weak single target healing, underwhelming ult, a death wish on E and good mobility. In a GAME you should have FUN. And I find no fun in Mercy. (or in the game ever after the ult stacking meta).

Yes you are and luckily Blizzard doesn’t listen to you.

Less OP but fun. Fair trade. Just telling you blizzard will have to listen to us someday.

Nice personal attacks since you don’t actually have any arguments. Of course you are the dude that thinks Mercy’s primary breaks on LoS so nothing to be talked with you.

He is right here, you were calling us cultists and by the right of the cringe you established a forum guild for witch hunting ‘us, the culstists’.

Objectively wrong, her rez now requires effort and good decision making the ally to die close to cover.

So is every character in OW, particularly every other support.

If you play Valkyrie as a spectator, that’s your issue and speaks about your ability. By comparison to Mass Rez Valkyrie and pressing a button, Valkyrie Mass Res is quantum physics and rocket science. Yeah, current rez requires a cost-risk analysis the dead ally to be behind cover and is actually a skillluck dependant.

Keyword, consistent. Ana requires skill to play. You can’t have the same output between a non-skill intensive hero and a skill-intensive hero. Otherwise no one would pick the skill intensive hero, that’s basic logic.

I have played both ana,mercy and moira numerous times after the patch. What I have noticed is that with Mercy I can’t keep anyone alive but the pharah that the enemy DPS are struggling to hit. With Ana and Moira its a completely different story. I slept a nanoed genji and our dva dropped bomb on him, negating a teamwipe. WIth moira I outhealed pharah barrage in a grav, something Mercy can’t do. (I just wanna point out that if you have good management of resource moira is a lot more consistant and powerful than mercy is. And in fact is more fun. Here, let me paraphrase. Mercy is underpowered and nearly useless mightfight as her Valkyrie is the least impactful ult from the entire roster and after the nerf lucio’s AMP overcomes it easily. Ana and Moira are generally easy to play (ok maybe just moira, but ana is quite easy for me too, dunno ) and provide far more healing AND utility. The mobility mercy has does not directly impact any fight, therefore I don’t consider it as a powerfactor.

Mercy is fun and they’ve raised the skill floor and ceiling with the rework. And she is balanced after the latest changes. Good job Blizz.

That’s a lie. Mercy is generally easier to play than Before. Her res now entirely depends on the fallen ally’s position + the enemies’ attention. Valkyrie is “ez mode activated” that stops the need of target prioritization and map awareness, while making you borderline invincible. Resurrect in valk is pure waste of her healing as by the time you res your team would have already probably died.

Failing a res doesn’t matter as you will have a new one in 30 sec. If you failed her old ult (by getting killed earlier, getting stunned out of it (as there were some cast time frames) or just bad ressing like 5 people into a dva nuke.) There is not difference between a bronze and GM mercy other than their positioning. The healing is around the same for both tiers (gm excels with 1-2k more).

I think this rework just deleted all her flaws and that’s what made her boring. She isn’t challenging to play. She is just ‘hold LMB, get ult, click ult, hold LMB again, repeat.’ In other words, a healbot, which can’t even multitask like other supports. Looking at statistics Mercy has around the same win/pick rate as season 3 (pick rate avrg is 6-7% and win rate average is 48-49%) only difference being that she is boring and completely outperformed by other supports. In everything.

[NeonLight-21797]

abuse-able for SR gains

forgot about talking about that. This was a glitch in Blizz’s system, it was not Mercy’s problem. They fixed it shortly after her rework.