Why mercy mains are so toxic?

[Musica-2488]

Look, pal, I wanted to get in the discussion mostly because of your first reply which was right about some stuff, but was really really starting from wrong premises which you seem to have taken up based on your own bias or agenda.

While the social mechanics you have explained in your first post are true and undeniable, you are denying the fact that those “stereotypes”, which no one is makin since no one is saying “all the mercy mains” but “most of the mercy mains”, are based on data. And you asked for that data, and it has been provided to some extent. But you proceeded to ignore it and disregard, while weaseling out of the arguments made against you and becoming, really, really defensive.

So, lemme try something here.

We are subjected to a constant spam by people who define themselves as Mercy mains. Now, it’s clear to everyone that those player are not the 100%, but we also don’t get to know the full extent of the whole “Mercy players” group and we are talking about the users pool that we can see and know, hence the posters of this forum.

So, once we restrict down the group “Mercy players” to “Mercy players who post on the forum” we get really precise to who we are talking about and the people who are considered in this group. That means two things: We are fully aware that the posters of this forum aren’t and can’t be “All Mercy mains”; “Mercy mains” refers to a group of people who post in the forum, actively or not, and that happens to “define themselves as such” and hence play Mercy as their main.
Saying this for clarity, even tho you should have already understood this: This group represents the 100%. It’s not the 100% of players in the game, it’s the 100% of people who we consider on the forum and as the source of the problem, which is the constant and over the line spam, and includes both Mercies that aren’t the problem and Mercies who are the problem.

Now, what we define as problematic, and seems to have triggered your first reply, is that the MAJORITY of Mercy Mains start threads, continuously, about the same argument in a neverending cycle of spam. No one is sayin “all of them”, we are addressing the MAJORITY of them. This, alone, debunks your idea of “You are making a stereotype”. This is not a stereotype. I can understand your confusion, even tho you seem just to want to appear as that instead of really being confused. And the arguments of “we are not sayin all of them” and “they are making a constant spam” are backed up by proof that you can find in this topic and just by lookin at our front page for 3 days in a row and counting how many threads about Mercy, and the changes she should get, plus the threads about Mercy players feelings we get. If you don’t want to wait, just use the search tool, enter “Mercy” and look up the dates on the topics.

This should clarify why what you said could have been right, but has been disproved through the discussion. It looks a little lame to see you holding your position when you are clearly disgegarding facts, while asking for them, and working with only “generalism” while the counterpart is being very, very precise about what is saying and it’s backin up their claims with objective data.

You could have made the argument that “You are not defining etc etc” but i just did with this post. It’s really really precise, defines both the problem and the population we are addressing and pinnin this onto, while also explaining the terminology used.

Considering how you have been answering up until now, i really don’t think anything useful will come out of your replies, but if you want to keep the discussion going, i’m okay with it as long as you actually can make good points and be precise. If you wanna just generalize and act like a SJW who doesn’t really have solid arguments but just ideas that disregard reality, please don’t lose the time and don’t make me lose time.

Got monsters to hunt and a palico to yell at.

@WhateverAlex-1969

Ya’ll: “Mercy mains are so toxic they spam flag my posts!!! ”
Also ya’ll: Spam flagging the mercy megathread so it’s continually closed and eventually unpinned.

This is biased and wrong.

@Musica-2488

The reason the megathread got shut down, was because of flags. Flags were used on the threads that were CONSTANTLY made out of the megathread. Those threads then were added to the megathread and puff, megathread down due to too many flags, which weren’t intended for the megathread, but for the one thousand garbage threads they were makin constantly.

There was also a second part, but it seems like the thread got removed. I’ll summarize the second part:
LGTB community was on a slippery slope to become as spammy as the majority of you guys are. Their threads were gettin flagged and closed left and right, so they made, FOR THEMSELVES AND BY THEMSELVES, a megathread. Since then, no more spam of any kind from them and guess what? Their self made megathread is still up. No one is flaggin, no one is complaining on either side.

You lack maturity, they don’t.
We don’t have a problem with players, or how they play or what they play.
We have a problem with spammers and poor reasoning.

[Ginger-12314]

I posted my opinion of Symmetra in a thread about Symmetra. Still can’t understand how that’s harassment. And ironically, it was you who changed the topic of that thread to Mercy and derailed it.

[Almostward-11535]

Jeez man. Calm down. So what if a group of Overwatch players have a Discord. It’s not used to harm anyone in any way.

If a person has harmed another verbally, or in game, we shall deal with that said person in due time. We do not tolerate harrassment of any kind, but we will not disclose that information to you to harass any people on the Discord. They are to remain private, but once kicked they are no longer our problem.

And if you really think we are up to no good I shall let you know what the recent activities are.

1. We should eat the bunny (said person shall know what this means)

2. Hey (insert name here). Do you and (other guy) want to play Diablo 3 later?
   One answered yes. The other cannot.

This question was from me if you are wondering. I was wanting to play Necromancer

3. Hey guys look at this gif. Oh cool another person made almost the same gif. Good minds think alike

So much badness. Stop bieng paranoid. We are not out to get anyone

[QuizzyBunny-2512]

@Almostward-11535

• We should eat the bunny ( said person shall know what this means )

• Hey (insert name here). Do you and (other guy) want to play Diablo 3 later?
  One answered yes. The other cannot.

• Hey guys look at this gif.

I really should kick everyone for wanting to eat me though!

[Almostward-11535]

I cant eat you. We have that agreement…for now

[Undertone-2728]

Thank you, you are much more eloquent with words than I am (English is not my native language so I suspect maybe my points aren’t clear enough). This is literally what I’m trying to say.

But unfortunately I get harassed, false-reported and called a troll. Now they brought in the cavalry and are actively harassing my thread:

Please fix Symmetra

Your buddy literally necro-ed a one month old thread that he would have never seen unless he actively looked at my profile in an attempt to harass me by creating a troll post. Seriously, stop derailing my thread. If you have nothing to say about Symmetra, leave the conversation.

[Bogrim-2180]

@Musica-2488

And you asked for that data, and it has been provided to some extent.

I think our definitions of what quantifies data might differ. Statistics is information on every poster, how large a percentage of those actually fit the label and how many.

Let’s say you looked up and found a total of 15 posters that fit your quota. There’s maybe over 10000 posters on the forum. That’s 0,15% of the active posters. And we know there’s 40,000,000 Overwatch players from one of the latest player counts, which even that guess number on the forum activity only makes out 0,025% of the total player base.

And yet, in spite of that you’ll claim:

@Musica-2488

We are subjected to a constant spam by people who define themselves as Mercy mains.

How many of those people actually identify as Mercy mains. How large a percentage of threads do they actually clog. How many of those posters aren’t just a regular player or another main you interpreted as a Mercy main.

It’s not that there aren’t anything legit in the points you’re trying to make.

@Musica-2488

We are subjected to a constant spam

The problem is just what you define as “spam” might not be people’s shared definition of spam. Could the forums have more constructive discussions? Yes, without a doubt. Would we like to see less Mercy threads? Undoubtedly. But what I’m trying to make you see here, is that it’s not necessarily a product of “Mercy mains.”

Because if you can’t blame the problem on a specific group of posters, if you can’t say “it’s because of them,” then the answer suddenly becomes far more interesting. If it’s not some posters in specific, it means that everyone is responsible.

You’re responsible. I’m responsible. Everyone has a responsibility to create the kind of discussion they want to see. And it means that the more people understand “Mercy mains” is a stereotype, like any other stereotype you can begin to defeat it. You can make people stop posting about Mercy and start posting more varied threads.

@Musica-2488

Considering how you have been answering up until now, i really don’t think anything useful will come out of your replies, but if you want to keep the discussion going, i’m okay with it as long as you actually can make good points and be precise.

Why do I need your stamp of approval?

Discussions are a cooperative effort, and are ultimately shaped by the other poster’s ability to argue and create points.

[WhateverAlex-1969]

This is biased and wrong.

But the thread is flagged, and unpinned, and people in this very thread are saying such things so uh…

[Musica-2488]

I think our definitions of what quantities data might differ. Statistics is information on every poster, how large a percentage of those actually fit the label and how many.

Let’s say you looked up and found a total of 15 posters that fit your quota. There’s maybe over 10000 posters on the forum. That’s 0,15% of the active posters. And we know there’s 40,000,000 Overwatch players from one of the latest player counts, which even that guess number on the forum activity only makes out 0,025% of the total player base.

We are subjected to a constant spam by people who define themselves as Mercy mains. Now, it’s clear to everyone that those player are not the 100%, but we also don’t get to know the full extent of the whole “Mercy players” group and we are talking about the users pool that we can see and know, hence the posters of this forum.
So, once we restrict down the group “Mercy players” to “Mercy players who post on the forum” we get really precise to who we are talking about and the people who are considered in this group.

How many of those people actually identify as Mercy mains. How large a percentage of threads do they actually clog. How many of those posters aren’t just a regular player or another main you interpreted as a Mercy main.

It’s not that there aren’t anything legit in the points you’re trying to make.

That means two things: We are fully aware that the posters of this forum aren’t and can’t be “All Mercy mains”; “Mercy mains” refers to a group of people who post in the forum, actively or not, and that happens to “define themselves as such” and hence play Mercy as their main.
Saying this for clarity, even tho you should have already understood this: This group represents the 100%. It’s not the 100% of players in the game, it’s the 100% of people who we consider on the forum and as the source of the problem, which is the constant and over the line spam, and includes both Mercies that aren’t the problem and Mercies who are the problem.

The problem is just what you define as “spam” might not be people’s shared definition of spam.

My definition of spam is having the same topic discussed, in just one day, in 8 different threads.

Would you like to give me yours?

Because if you can’t blame the problem on a specific group of posters, if you can’t say “it’s because of them,” then the answer suddenly becomes far more interesting. If it’s not some posters in specific, it means that everyone is responsible.

I did. But you can’t name on the forums, so i won’t. I’ll send you back to this, again.

We are subjected to a constant spam by people who define themselves as Mercy mains. Now, it’s clear to everyone that those player are not the 100%, but we also don’t get to know the full extent of the whole “Mercy players” group and we are talking about the users pool that we can see and know, hence the posters of this forum.

So, once we restrict down the group “Mercy players” to “Mercy players who post on the forum” we get really precise to who we are talking about and the people who are considered in this group. That means two things: We are fully aware that the posters of this forum aren’t and can’t be “All Mercy mains”; “Mercy mains” refers to a group of people who post in the forum, actively or not, and that happens to “define themselves as such” and hence play Mercy as their main.
Saying this for clarity, even tho you should have already understood this: This group represents the 100%. It’s not the 100% of players in the game, it’s the 100% of people who we consider on the forum and as the source of the problem, which is the constant and over the line spam, and includes both Mercies that aren’t the problem and Mercies who are the problem.

Now, what we define as problematic, and seems to have triggered your first reply, is that the MAJORITY of Mercy Mains start threads, continuously, about the same argument in a neverending cycle of spam. No one is sayin “all of them”, we are addressing the MAJORITY of them.

And it means that the more people understand “Mercy mains” is a stereotype, like any other stereotype you can begin to defeat it. You can make people stop posting about Mercy and start posting more varied threads.

You want it to be a stereotype while I explained you while it is not.

Now, what we define as problematic, and seems to have triggered your first reply, is that the MAJORITY of Mercy Mains start threads, continuously, about the same argument in a neverending cycle of spam. No one is sayin “all of them”, we are addressing the MAJORITY of them. This, alone, debunks your idea of “You are making a stereotype”. This is not a stereotype.

We are being precise, as much as we can without breaking the CoC.

Would we like to see less Mercy threads? Undoubtedly. But what I’m trying to make you see here, is that it’s not necessarily a product of “Mercy mains.”

You can make people stop posting about Mercy and start posting more varied threads.

The people who post threads about the Mercy spam, just like OP did, are just as spammy, annoying, and useless. I can condone one of them, each day, max and just as long as the counterpart is spamming on a way, way higher trend.
But to be honest? I would just turn down the Mercy Threads to max 2, 3 tops each day and completely ABOLISH any other thread about the spam, but i’m pretty sure it would be the case if the Mercy Threads spam goes down because if the problem is not there, there is no spam to complain about.
I don’t condone spam by anyone. I gave you my definition of spam in this reply. Use that and keep it in mind if you wanna address this point.

Why do I need your stamp of approval?

Discussions are a cooperative effort, and are ultimately shaped by the other poster’s ability to argue and create points.

First of all, the first question is a lame attempt at generating any reaction apart from laughter from me. Maybe it’s gonna work on someone else. But i’ll take it as a serious question, even tho it actually means i’m genuinely believing you are stupid, which i really don’t believe, i’m way more inclined in thinking you are cheap.

So:

You don’t. But just as you said, discussions are a cooperative effort and i went the extra mile and said that i will cooperate as long as you can cooperate too.

And you didn’t, at all. All the points you made were already addressed in my previous reply. You are not cooperating, you are circlying around everything, you are quoting just what you want to take into consideration. You don’t want to have a discussion, you want to win a discussion. But you win that with arguments, not with this lame self assed try at making me run in circles.
I feel pity for how you reason and act.

But the thread is flagged, and unpinned, and people in this very thread are saying such things so uh…

I explained why. It’s biased and wrong to think that’s the reason the megathread is down. The megathread is down and there are no doubts. Don’t reply without having fully read the post you are replying to.

[NeonLight-21797]

How things unravel quickly. And it’s so funny calling me “paranoid”. Good to know I have your permanent address now mate. Send regards to your mates on Discord.

Thanks for revealing your true self. Enjoy the flag. This is a real life threat which goes against the CoC.
It was fun watching your little act, but it’s finally come to an end. Did you have fun? Did you get everything out of your system?

Enjoy the silence, you rock.

[Plarpoon-2445]

Cease engaging with users that life threatens you, a cleaning operation by a mod will fix the issue. Flag according to the ToC and the federal laws of the US. Judgement will be done by the selected authorities.

[NeonLight-21797]

Cease engaging with users that life threats you, a cleaning operation by a mod will fix the issue. Flag according to the ToC and the federal laws of the US. Judgement will be done by the selected authorities.

Get your moira popcorn out everyone, Undertone is gonna be furious. Oh wait. He already was. Eh my bad, guess it’s too hard to hear a guy that by trying to win a debate insults the opposing side. How rude.

[Undertone-2728]

Thanks for revealing your true self. Enjoy the flag. This is a real life threat which goes against the CoC.
It was fun watching your little act, but it’s finally come to an end. Did you have fun? Did you get everything out of your system?

Hahahahahahahah. A real life threat? It was a joke about his comment:

It’s nice knowing I can live in your head rent free.

LMAO, a real life threat, ahhahaahhaahha. Hence my comment that it’s nice to know his permanent address. I’m not referring to his real life address I’m literally in tears. The character assassination is just beyond me. You are literally proving everything I’m saying right in front of everyone’s eyes.

[Musica-2488]

I guess that the only one putting up a show here is you.

Litterally comedy gold.

Cease engaging with users that life threatens you, a cleaning operation by a mod will fix the issue. Flag according to the ToC and the federal laws of the US. Judgement will be done by the selected authorities.

Oh no, wait, this guy here too.

Read posts and follow the discussion before jumping the gun.

[what-21551]

@Undertone-2728

I’m literally in tears.

Here, you’ll need this.

[NeonLight-21797]

Oh no, wait, this guy here too.

Read posts and follow the discussion before jumping the gun.

I guess that the only one putting up a show here is you.

Litterally comedy gold.

LMAO, a real life threat, ahhahaahhaahha. Hence my comment that it’s nice to know his permanent address. I’m not referring to his real life address I’m literally in tears. The character assassination is just beyond me. You are literally proving everything I’m saying right in front of everyone’s eyes.

It’s literally the opposite my dudes. Mercy players have been referred as cultists and have been witch hunted on the forums and the real life proof is undertone. He made a thread to solely find other witch hunters (and with cringe united them under the name “st. knights of undertone”) and started insulting every Mercy player that came to his thread. He said (in his symm thread) that JAMES was derailing the thread (by posting 2 replies about mercy LMFAO, k).
His threads ended up being 404’ed. Reasonably.
Musica, I don’t know if you have seen previous posts of Undertone, but the guy putting up a show is him. Not us lmfao.

Also I don’t care undertone. You called us cultists, then said its a joke. Now you are going around saying “I know ur address now” then again ‘issa djouk’. Nobody finds its funny. Stop

[Undertone-2728]

It’s literally the opposite my dudes. Mercy players have been referred as cultists and have been witch hunted on the forums and the real life proof is undertone. He made a thread to solely find other witch hunters (and with cringe united them under the name “st. knights of undertone”) and started insulting every Mercy player that came to his thread. He said (in his symm thread) that JAMES was derailing the thread (by posting 2 replies about mercy LMFAO, k).
His threads ended up being 404’ed. Reasonably.
Musica, I don’t know if you have seen previous posts of Undertone, but the guy putting up a show is him. Not us lmfao.

Also I don’t care undertone. You called us cultists, then said its a joke. Now you are going around saying “I know ur address now” then again ‘issa djouk’. Nobody finds its funny. Stop

You are comedy gold my friend, absolute comedy gold. Thank you for making me laugh. I’ve saved your comment by the way in case you decide to delete the evidence.

So you and your buddies harassed me in my thread, then falsely accused me for real life threat? What’s next? Your mob justice attempts at character assassination are so funny at this point. Are you going to photoshop something I “said” next and attempt to fabricate some other “evidence”?

[Musica-2488]

I don’t know him, nor he is my friend.

I can judge only what i see and, in this topic, it seems to me that it isn’t up to what you said. Maybe he was, here’s not showing and it seems that he’s mostly arguing about his ideas.

I also never addressed him, i addressed your action which was, exactly as i said, jumping the gun without having read the posts and the contest.

Basically, you were wrong and it doesn’t make you look good to, instead of backin off and sayin “Yeah, welp, i screwed up lol” which could have been awesome and brought to you all my respect(Not that you need it, but i guess it’s always nice to have people respecting you for your action and ideas), you went for the road of:

Also I don’t care undertone. You called us cultists, then said its a joke. Now you are going around saying “I know ur address now” then again ‘issa djouk’. Nobody finds its funny. Stop

With emphasys on the bolded part, where you keep on showing that you didn’t understand the context, like he said that to scare someone and then said that it was a joke to cover it up, when it was just a reply to a witty comment which was in line with the comment made.

[NeonLight-21797]

So you and your buddies harassed me in my thread, then falsely accused me for real life threat? What’s next? Your mob justice attempts at character assassination are so funny at this point. Are you going to photoshop something I “said” next and attempt to fabricate some other “evidence”?

Imma go GreyFalcon mode. You are not worthy my response. You are a joke. (dw, its a joke)
This conversation leads to nowhere as you are not standing behind your words. Therefore I’m gonna quit it, have fun.

harassed me in my thread

People harass me in my threads all the time, stop acting like the thread is your home.

Also I don’t know who the “buddies” are lmfao.

[Bogrim-2180]

My definition of spam is having the same topic discussed, in just one day, in 8 different threads.

That’s not necessarily an issue caused by spam, but the fact that you have a massive, and I mean massive, user base all posting on the same page.

If we had sub-forums like hero-specific discussions, you could avoid seeing so many topics posted repeatedly.

And as I’ve said before, people love to use stereotypes because it generates attention. A lot of the Mercy threads I’ve read are just trolls intentionally baiting people by saying stuff like, “Mercy’s not a main healer anymore.”

You want it to be a stereotype while I explained you while it is not.

And as I’ve explained to you, in order to prove your case you need evidence. That’s the difference between an actual group and a perceived group (a stereotype).

But to be honest? I would just turn down the Mercy Threads to max 2, 3 tops each day and completely ABOLISH any other thread about the spam, but i’m pretty sure it would be the case if the Mercy Threads spam goes down because if the problem is not there, there is no spam to complain about.

If we’re talking about actual solutions (which is a welcome debate, by the way) I’d just go with the suggestion I’ve voiced above and as I’ve heard so many times before: Blizzard should just put in the effort, and create hero-specific sub-forums.

It’s obvious that an imbalance of hero discussions bothers people (regardless of whether we agree on the circumstances), and simply dividing the forum into more categories will solve that issue on its own.

But if I’m going to be honest here, I don’t think there are a whole lot of developer activity on the forums. I think if there was, these issues would have been solved ages ago. And we’d have rotating game modes in Arcade during the summer event already.

First of all, the first question is a lame attempt at generating any reaction apart from laughter from me.

Alright. I honestly can’t tell on these forums. I often get attacked left and right.

You don’t want to have a discussion, you want to win a discussion. But you win that with arguments, not with this lame self assed try at making me run in circles.

Depends on what you imagine the outcome of this discussion is going to be. If I agree with you, what will the solution be? We actively flag posters we believe are spamming? You can do that already. Don’t need multiple flags for the report to count, it only hides the post if it gets mass flagged. I’ve flagged inappropriate posts and seen them disappear within minutes.

Where as my message is that if you want better discussions, you should create them. Complaining about people complaining isn’t going to create the forum you want. Just as you took the incentive to create a more interesting debate right here in this thread.