It’s literally insane for a support that also has huge heals and amazing utility…
Thank you for listening.
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He is currently still broken. His primary fire stutters and misfires if you hold it in. I am also not the only one that experiences this. If it wasn’t broken I’d play him way more often. He is slept on.
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He is strong, but hard to use and has not many outs. The reward for playing him is also not that high. His kit still represents OW in a 6v6 world and I dont think that anything will fix it.
My main problem is the burst fire and the delay. Hitting shots with Cassy or 76 is pretty easy for me but Bap is just terrible in my hands. Pretty frustrating as a support main. His stats look good but there is a reason why you dont encounter him often.
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Because his damage is fine. It’s the primary feature of his kit as his CDs are unimpressive and clunky given how often he has to use them for himself, and their absurdly long CDs, and his base heals are just plain worse than Ana in the majority of situations. There is rarely a time when you’re better off having Baptiste than Ana given how much better Ana’s CDs are, and although Ana’s damage is lower anti nevertheless makes it easier for her to confirm kills and apply pressure unless the Bap has god-tier aim.
(insert long-winded facts to why he’s balanced, that you won’t listen to.)
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Because they are lol
Just you wait 4h for Lifeweaver . He is fully DPS . (and pathetic healer)
Why everyone still insist that support cannot do damage? Hello? Its SUPPORT not HEALER there a huge difference.
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Because It doesn’t bother enough people.
If a bap is doing crazy amounts of damage I’m just happy he can aim.
because powercreep isnt an issue suddenly
baptiste is easy to overwhelm, and if you force all of his cooldowns out then the only thing he has are the exo boots and his primary fire
id argue if he did any less damage then he would be a free kill every single match
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He has some of the highest healing in the game, the best utility and insane damage. His damage is literally up there with Zen’s (minus the damage amp). His kit is way too bloated to be dishing out that sort of damage.
No they’re not? He has AoE heals.
Because he might as well be Zen. Zen is designed around having high damage and quite literally NOTHING else. What does Bap not have? He has high damage, high healing, AoE healing, burst healing, invulnerability and mobility (still more than Zen).
You mean like Zen?
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I’m still amazed Bap never got the same hate Brig did. I think Bap is one of the top 3 strongest characters in the game as far as kits go.
Sometimes when I just wanna chill I play Bap and go completely healbot mode. At my rank Bap can make teammates almost immortal.
That’s not an argument. Why bother posting anything if you’re going to assume everyone isn’t gonna listen to you? Or is that because you don’t have an argument?
As a bap enjoyer I’ve been complaining about his damage buffs since the rate of fire/window increases a few years back. Before they broke solider towards the end of OW1 he was even out damaging him which made no sense.
Even now id still prefer if they reverted his damaging rof and buffed his old healing rof back to what it used to be.
Problem is bap is struggling to fit in the more open solo tank 5v5 environment since people aren’t grouped anymore. I doubt blizzard will nerf him anytime soon.
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Idk if I’d agree with that. In the majority of my games both teams are grouped with the exception of 1 flanker maybe.
I already think his healing is also really strong so if his damage was to be nerfed maybe some of his cooldowns could get a very small buff. I just think people are ignoring how he is a literal DPS because right now Ana is so broken.
No they’re not? He has AoE heals.
In an extremely limited range. Otherwise he heals 70 for directs and 50 for indirect with indirect being more common on non-tanks, and he struggles more with long-range heals and healing mobile or airborne heroes. So as I said worse in most situations.
Sure there are some comps and certain KOH maps where people play very close where he will generally be better especially with regen burst, but as people don’t generally play Ana and Bap together you rarely see him, and there is a good reason why.
Because he might as well be Zen. Zen is designed around having high damage and quite literally NOTHING else.
Don’t let the numbers confuse you Zen’s damage output is far superior to Bap in practise for various reasons. For one his volleys give him serious burst potential and that’s ignoring the damage he amps from other team-mates with Discord. Despite the lower per-second output on Zen’s heals they have certain meaningful advantages. Harmony Orb can have close to 100% uptime even on the most mobile and dive-y heroes even ignoring LOS issues up to a point and it interferes with Zen’s DPS output far less.
Zen’s ultimate is also far more game-changing.
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That’s because you don’t play him in a dive comp. If your tank picks Doom, Winston or WB then picking Bap is stupid.
If your tank picks Rein, Ram, Hog or Orisa then Bap will almost certainly benefit from AoE heals. Idk what games you are playing but the majority of teams do not run 2 flankers unless they are playing dive and Rein/Ram are the best tanks right now.
Because they are both incredibly strong healers and picking both is unnecessary when you could have something like a Mercy or Zen.
I just had a game where Bap had 7k damage on a very short push game. That is DPS level damage.
Yes I know this, but that’s why Zen has nothing else besides damage. Zen has to give up mobility, CC, and healing in order to have that sort of damage output. Bap has one of the best abilities in the game, the best burst healing in the game, one of the best healing outputs in the game and now one of the highest DPS outputs for a support. And even ontop of that they give him mobility (even if it is just a jump, it’s better than nothing).
He is a very strong pick right now, as he should be because he’s not easy to play, but he has no right dealing that sort of damage along with everything else in his kit.
Yes Bap has one of the more weaker support ults but it charges a lot faster and can still be game changing. Imo it doesn’t justify the ridiculous damage he outputs at all.
Because they are both incredibly strong healers and picking both is unnecessary when you could have something like a Mercy or Zen.
Which is the issue as I said because the real question is not whether Bap is good, but whether he is good enough to not get gatekept out of the main healer role by Ana.
I just had a game where Bap had 7k damage on a very short push game. That is DPS level damage.
And Zen can post numbers like this and does so more consistently.
Yes I know this, but that’s why Zen has nothing else besides damage.
Zen has stuff beyond damage, but it’s not really an issue because Zen isn’t competing with Bap. They actually synergise nicely. The real issue is how he compares to Ana and it’s just not favourable in most situations.
Picking Bap over Ana is not going to cost you the game. He’s only a worse pick if you pick him in a dive or flanker heavy comp, or with something stupid like Pharah.
As he should? Because that’s literally his job. Baptiste’s job is not to dish out similar damage numbers to his DPS while also having a bloated kit.
Like? The lowest healing output in the game? The widest support hitbox? The support with no mobility or CC?
Like you said, Zen isn’t competing with Bap and you know why? Because they have entirely different goals. Yet here we are where Bap is dealing similar damage levels to a support solely dedicated to damage.