I may be in the minority opinion here. but you should be required to have both a microphone and headset attached before being allowed to join comp. There is zero reason to have people who refuse to communicate into the competitive mode of this game. People should not have to go external the game client to be able to get an actual, real competitive environment.
I understand that may be unrealistic, people can turn their volume down/not talk, etc. Maybe I’m just frustrated but games sometimes feel so bad when no one says anything. It feels like facing off against your non-communicating team is harder than winning the game.
I know my skills aren’t pro-level, or anywhere near it, or I’d just get past this rank. But I’d rather have a leaver and 4 other communicating team members than 5 players who don’t talk. Thoughts, discussion? If I’m wildly off base please let me know…
Speaking from personal experience… I’ve heard people say the most horrendously offensive things over VC, directed at both myself and others. I’ve heard 10yr old kids receive death threats from grown adults, and females solicited for nudes or outright condescended to and insulted – just for being female.
Granted, in a perfect world, yes people should use VC. In the messed up world of video game crazy people, having the option to not join VC is completely understandable.
From a most literal sense, there is literally no way to enforce this from a software development standpoint. In fact, if there was a way to enforce this, I’d just blast music loud enough to cover up the whining, accusing, and abuse.
The internet wasn’t always so toxic, but most parents don’t teach their kids to be decent these days. Forget that noise.
I agree with you fully but too many will deflect to “mean words” and “muh feelings” over words they could and should just shrug off to ever have this be a thing. It should be required as you are supposed to work together and being mute won’t arrange that but… everyone has an excuse and wet, tissue paper thick skin.
_Edit: @MrMeesucks,_I get that perspective, I do, but isn’t that what muting is for? I’ve heard that stuff too but, to be honest, it’s usually just one person on the team that pulls that it and if they continue to try to communicate with you just block and/or report them? Why should the other 4 people on your team also have to suffer because the fear that one of them may be an idiot?
That all being said, I do think they need stricter voice regulations too. I just don’t think that’s the issue at hand.
_Edit: @Iloveyou, _What? They can resolve it by having more moderators and have an option to report toxic voice behavior? That’s one way it could be enforced; it doesn’t necessarily mean they have to go all NSA on us. What sort of flaws do you see for that from a purely gameplay/community feel perspective? There’s obviously business costs that go into it but don’t consider them.
I don’t think this has anything to do with people not being taught to be decent… I think it’s 100% the anonymity that people get from being online. People haven’t become largely more rude. The rudeness is just out there for all to see.
_Edit: @MsSysbit, _ Lmao, too true my friend. A little teamwork goes a long way
You can’t enforce that people be in team chat, period. There are hardware solutions to that software “problem.” Oh, you say I have to have a mic plugged in? Okay, I’ll just plug in my mic and mute it, or plug in a cut off cord. You literally can not tell, from a software perspective, whether or not someone is actually “in” voice chat. You can force add me to the channel, but I can hardware mute you - and then I’ll be playing worse because I won’t have game sounds. I can also send VOIP to null, and the game wouldn’t know. You talk about enforcement, but you can’t enforce anything. Are you going to require that people speak in chat every x seconds? lol nope.
Clearly, you enjoy voice chat. Good for you. Some people either don’t want to talk, aren’t able to talk, or had bad experiences talking. Voice chat is an option. You want to force people to talk? Good luck with that.
Iloveyou: You’re not even debating me; you’re just spouting your argument. I offered a solution. Argue my solution. Otherwise you’re just spouting a red herring argument. The solution doesn’t need to be software-based… lol.
MrMeesucks: Are you somehow suggesting that these people believe that more people are out to hurt them via voice then help? Because, from my experience, that simply isn’t the case. On top of that if people don’t want to communicate (for whatever reason) then they should not be playing the competitive mode of the game. I never said I thought it should be implemented for any other mode. I’m not putting people down for not wanting to chat; my experience, however, should not be tied to whether someone else wants to or not.
Iloveyou: I just offered a solution. Argue it. “They can’t fix it” isn’t an argument that works when someone offers a solution you refuse to even attempt to rebuke.
Aero: I easily lose more games than I win when people don’t communicate in comp. No way to plan ults, no way to even communicate most of what needs to be communicated. If you have a different experience, in comp, great! I would say you’re probably not in the majority there though.
Not really.
You may think they are, yet out of 20 games I can recall only 1 where comms was beneficial. And this is in diamond where we have 6 in chat 98% of the time.
Yikes dude, then you might be the problem not comms. I’m in silver rn (5-6 seasons ago I was high gold/low plat) and comms have always been beneficial, minus the 15% of people who do effectively comm but also start blaming teammates, which isn’t even relevant because people will start blaming others in text chat as well.
Calling out a flanker, calling out a discorded/hacked target, calling out an out of position Rein, calling out who to focus, all of that has improved the odds of winning a game, not detracted. If you can only recall 1 game where comms were beneficial, the problem might not be comms – it might be you.
Iloveyou: The problem is most definitely NOT perceived. I have people not in voice chat at least every 2 or 3 games. And if you’re going up against a team that’s better than you, and you can’t communicate ‘Zen’s got ult’ or ‘McCree behind’ you stand close to zero chance. I should not be forced to lose a game because someone refuses to communicate.
I understand what you’re saying; I get it. No hardware or software solution. It is a problem. People should not be in competitive if they don’t want to win. One of the easiest ways to move up is communicate. If you can’t do that then you absolutely should not be playing competitive. The way they fix the problem is by making people who play competitive be people that are doing their best to win every single game. One way they can influence that is, at the very least, nudge people towards communication. I get it, they can’t make people talk or hear, but they shouldn’t be in competitive.
Aero: I don’t believe that. At all. Not for someone that’s Diamond. Sorry, gotta agree to disagree with you bud!
I disagree completely. The quality and usefulness of comms below mid diamond is not only bad, it’s counterproductive. People simply don’t understand what good comms are before then, and even then it’s hit or miss until (presumably) higher than mid diamond. I’ve never been past there, but I can tell you that everything below that is almost always useless or worse. It’s just another thing that people blame for being unable to rank up, when they should be realizing that blaming external factors is what is actually keeping them from improving.
