Why is everything for Hanzo so low effort

[GreyFalcon-11737]

@Terra-12278

He is apart of the “core design principles” the game was created off of

I’m talking about the core design principles that apply to any game, and every game. i.e. StormArrows are not clearly telegraphed, and do not provide a counterdefence after they land. And inside 35m range, when accounting for network lag, system lag and the physical limits of human reaction, the arrows basically cannot be reacted to.

Granted, this is standard for Snipers in videogames, but the solve for that issue, they offer a whole extra layer counterplay against the Sniper.

i.e. Near Instakill Assault Rifles, Everybody can Rez downed teammates that can crawl, Just make the Glass Cannons actually have Glass.

Counterplay

The elements of counterplay:

• #1 Possible: Is a response possible?
• #2 Clear Telegraphed: Is the need for a response clear, with enough Time for a response?
• #3 Interesting: Are responses varied and nuanced?
• https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1018273/Counterplay-and-Teamplay-in-Multiplayer
• https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:JAlbor/GDC_2013:_Teamplay_and_Counterplay_in_League_of_Legends
• https://ubm-twvideo01.s3.amazonaws.com/o1/vault/gdc2013/slides/822829%20Cadwell_Thomas_Counterplay%20and%20Teamplay.pdf

And “well then you should swap”, then that becomes a Balance problem. Because “Choice Reductions” are Balance Problems. By Definition.

What is Play Balance?

Sid Meier once said, “A game is a collection of interesting choices”. It follows that game elements being out of balance and thereby eliminating choices detracts from the gameplay. Ideally, a game should be a series of choices, ending with victory of defeat or some other end condition. Sometimes, some choices will become unquestionably the only choice, or definitely not a valid choice. If there is only one valid choice at some point, but the game hasn’t ended, there is a play balance problem. Nearly all situations commonly referred to as imbalances can be boiled down to a choice reduction.
https://archive.gamedev.net/archive/reference/articles/article1765.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WggIdtrqgKg

@Terra-12278

Hanzo 417 to 834 burst in theory sounds good, but you rarely even see the lower end of that damage range much less 834 unless you are firing on someone standing still (like the training bots yall experiment on for these numbers).

A Bronze Nintendo Switch player should be able to land all their shots as bodyshots against a DiveTank at close range.

@Terra-12278

pharah

Well I did suggest a rework for Pharah.

Which should be rather familiar.

@GreyFalcon-11737

• Pharah: Indirect damage is reduced the further Pharah is from the enemy player. Direct hits are unaffected, when the explosion goes off. Much faster fuel regen on the ground, Much slower fuel regen in the air. Can side-dodge in the air on a small cooldown by pressing a direction and crouch.
• -Problem: Spam is bad. PharMercy damage boosted spam is worse. Permaflight gives a lot of mid-low ELO players migraines.
• -Solution: Reduce the effectiveness of spam, in a tried and true TF2 Soldier kind of way. (This is a TF2 Soldier rocket mechanic, look it up).
• -Result: Content Creators will mention this, but your mid-low ELO players, and more casually involved Variety Content Creators will be popping off.