I dont really understand what happened, maybe its the change to 5v5 or a bunch of new players playing this game. Mercy dmg boost op and discord orb op. Remove widow one shot plz. These were never a problem like this in ow1. So im just curious why is everyone complaining about everything now? If widow lost her one shot she would be the most useless character in the game. Besides shes one of the easiest heroes to counter but it feels like people just refuse to switch because theyre told to switch. Or people dont wanna learn other heroes. Is it just new players crying because they keep dying not understanding the whole point of the game is that players die? Sure I know there’s heroes that are overpowered compared to others like sojourn (especially before her nerfs) and ball, but if people really want every hero to get the hog treatment, the matches played will be super slow or wont go anywhere since none of the heroes are doing enough of damage. Sure i love not being one shotted by a hog afted he drags me from across the map, but hes practically the most useless tank right now. I personally wouldve wanted to see his hook range get decreased or even make the hitbox smaller so that it doesnt feel like a sonic homing attack that latches onto squishies. Im sure everyone else has seen everyone complain a lot now about every hero, but what do you all think? Is it cause of 5v5? Players ability to not counterplay properly? It’s just that issues that never were an issue are issues right now.
Because the game was 6v6 and 5v5 made everything a chaos.
We’re mostly super casual gamers. We can’t handle difficulty. We can’t handle things not going our way. We think we have more skill than we actually do. We pass blame to everything but ourselves.
Hm, probably because 6 years of designing heroes for 6v6 and then switching to 5v5 with almost no changes to most of the heroes naturally causes so many problems?
The game is objectively worse than it was. No matter where you fall on the 5v5 vs 6v6, we LITERALLY have less features than we did previously. Not to mention MM. And map pools…which they themselves admitted was a mistake.
What’s really puzzling is the people who seemingly hated OW1 and love being given…substantially less? Getting spit on? Shaken down for cash? I don’t know.
There were always complaints. For 6+ years now. It’s nothing new. Only new part is there’s new characters to complain about and new issues caused by 5v5 format.
It’s been complained about a lot… but now that we are in 5V5 things are out in the open
This has been going on since the beginning of time. It’s not new.
I can’t read further than that quote because the wall of text really hurts my eyes.
It is. With one less tank to absorb cooldowns and contest DPS, abilities that apply buffs/debuffs are a lot more powerful. Also in OW1 if you onetapped someone you would only lose 1/6th value instead of 1/5th.
Some complaints are legit or situationally legitimate. Some have been addressed, but created enough negative feeling that it retains momentum. Some complaints are based on outright lies and misinformation. Usually it comes down to gas-lighting certain heroes as utility-bots who don’t really have to play the game properly to get free wins.
Widow is painted as low-skill EZ free SR because anyone can just click heads from the backline.
We’re told Mercy players are brainless E-girls who duo with hitscan DPS and get carried to GM while AFK blue-beaming.
They say Zen just parks Discord on a tank forever, and this makes it impossible for them to play.
Hog apparently got free-kills on CD because Hook is so easy and has no counterplay.
You can do this for every hero. Stuff like this is said about every hero. It’s all nonsense, but it accounts for a lot of the really rabid hatred that gets stirred up.
Speak for yourself, im well aware of my lack of skill! And blame myself a lot!
lol I think I blamed myself for every loss last night (to be fair, I played poorly lmao)
I think it’s a combination of new players and 5v5.
5v5 shows more balancing issues because the synergy is gone. Also, we have not had any balancing changes for 5v5 specifically except for the “gigabuff” to Tanks.
And new players because they’re…new. They’re probably just frustrated for all the same reasons we were in the beginning.
people complain because they were never taught responsibility. thankfully these individuals wont be around for much longer.
I mean, you can’t really say it’s objectively worse. “Subjectively” sure.
OW has a really small playerbase divided among really big MMR-gaps.
So they needed to remove 1 tank in order to get matches.
Now we’re stuck with bad balance because they basically turned a car into a motor-cycle by just taking off to wheels and expecting the car without two wheels to drive like a motor-cycle.
OW2’s playerbase is also bleeding players a lot, so it’s interesting to see what genious solution they’ll have this time.
I guess it depends of what majority reflects in the end. Sadly we dont have the real data.
No, you can, and I gave my metric for how it’s objectively worse. If your reasoning is that you prefer 5v5, they could’ve slapped 5v5 in OW1 and you’d have more features than in OW2. So objectively, OW2 is worse.
Because what is life if we’re content?
Everything is to do with the 5v5 change. The balance has been obliterated and can never even be fixed to a point that it’s tolerable. Tanks like Doomfist and Ball will be in a never-ending loop of being OP/UP, Queen and current Hog will always be worthless in the face of an actual tank, Orisa will always have to be CC the Character, Ana and Kiriko will always be the support meta, damage boosts will always be an issue because there is only one anchor on the team to focus on now, snipers get away with more free kills.
It will always be terrible.