Why is Baptiste a better Illari in every way?

This is really confusing me because anyone can just say: “Why would i pick Illari when Bap is in the game?”

Everything he does, he is doing it better than Illari while also having a lot of utility, something that Illari doesn’t have.

-Baptiste has better and more consistent damage/poke.
-He has a better mobility that is not even on cooldown, he can constantly take high grounds, while Illari simply can’t.
-He has better and more reliable healing. He can’t run out of it. And he has a burst healing AOE ability on a cooldown.
-He has one of the strongest cooldowns in the game: Immortality Field. I don’t think that i should talk about it more than simply saying: Immortality Field.
-He has a better Ult that is usually a team fight win, that amplifies and boosts all the healing and damage for the team.

So my simple question is: Why? Why is this ok, and why are they keeping Illari in the dumpster tier, clearly knowing how bad she is, clearly knowing how bad her pick-rates are and clearly knowing how quick she fell off because of all the nerfs and season 9. This screams bias to me, because Illari is purposely being ignored and kept in this state!

And no, he does NOT require more skill than Illari to get the same amount and even higher amount of value compared to her. So don’t even go that route!

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Baptiste also has funnier voicelines, Illari always sounds depressed.

Hanzo sounds depressed, but at least he has “Sake!” and sounds stern in rather humorous way.

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The point of your post being…??

baptiste is a cute waifu illari is not

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The mid season patch didn’t even come out, relax

Illari was very clearly used as a nerf scapegoat to appease bad DPS players who overcommit to a duel against a support with dueling tools.

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Because “slight gun buff” will suddenly make her S tier and better than Bap?? Lol

It’s been two patches now, with 3rd coming in few days of Illari getting “buffs”. And guess what?? They all did nothing!

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Despite Baptiste being OP i hate playing him. It is just not fun.

Illari was one of my favorite heroes, until she was nerfed into oblivion.

She needs to be buffed asap.

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For pretty much the same reason that Ana or Kiriko are better: they overnerfed Illari and they’ll keep buffing her until she’s back in a better spot.

She’s not being “ignored”. She already had pylon buffed from 15s to 12s (thank God, 15s was awful) and her ult buffed to make up for the season nine changes. She’s apparently getting another buff this upcmong patch. If that’s not enough, then she’ll get something else either in season ten or in the mid-season ten patch.

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So more of these crumbs… Got you.

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He wasn’t always better. He’s only better now because illari got dumpstered. But I do think bap’s damage is lowkey OP though especially after the projectile size increase. But so are most DPS hitscans, so it evens out. It’s just that they’ve nerfed illari too much and gave her zero compensation buffs with the global HP increase.

Also, there’s less reason to pick illari in general. You would often pick illari to contest the snipers. But now that dive is meta, snipers aren’t dominating as much. Not to mention they nerfed the 1 shot potential of hanzo so there’s only widow now who can potentially 1 shot.

Ashe, cassidy, soldier: 76, aren’t doing that bad atm. But again, illari’s damage got nerfed indirectly so you can’t even contest them like you used to anymore. The duel favors them too much and it’s just not worth it to go illari.

Pharmacy isn’t dominating the ladder either, further reducing the need to pick illari (or ana, or bap) to take down fliers.

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If you’re asking for Illari to be megabuffed instead of carefully being buffing her as, when and if needed then yes, you’re going to be disappointed. Well, I hope so, anyway. Characters that get megabuffed are liable to get meganerfed in a month’s time so I wouldn’t want the devs to do anything crazy.

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Is illari hitscan?

Well, bap is hitscan, has lamp, and damage boost ult. I am surprised he isnt played more to be honest.

Idk but I love them both because they are hitscan. Illari is adorable w her cute lil chubby cheeks. And Baptiste is my main. Plus, I live in the Caribbean… Of course Baptiste is my go-to!

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why? cause poor design…not cause they want him to be better…

shes a support hero that relies on a turret for most of her healing…that means a lot of value is missed when team doesnt play around it

bap doesnt really have that kind of restriciton

it’s small things like this. On kings row i have be on top of a car to jump to high ground. that’s 3 seconds it takes bap half a second.

It’s like Baptiste it expedited shipping and free while Illari is the 2 weeks delay and a 30$ shipping fee

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Overtuned heroes in ow1 moving to ow2 with buffs I wonder why illari can’t compete

It’s better for them to give heroes small buffs over time rather than do something drastic that makes then op and results in more subsequent nerfs. They should do this with more heroes. Does it take longer? Sure, a little bit. But it also helps balance because they can stop when she feels just right and not have to change anything else for a while.

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Fun fact: Sigma can stop Illari’s Ult with all 3 of his cooldowns.

Cool. Cool cool cool. I didn’t waste a golden gun on Illari or anything :unamused:

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I know that feel bro, I wasted a golden gun on her too.

The pylon destruction cooldown penalty needs to go. It didn’t balance her, it just made her kit a liability to the team.

I hope they get rid of that penalty in the mid season patch

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