So I love overwatch. It is a pretty great game at it’s core. I understand a meta will always evolve as new heroes / maps / nerfs / buffs are introudced.
But the new meta. Let’s just be honest it isn’t fun. it isn’t good. When you have a game of 26 characters and only 8 are effective in 80% of matches. When people throw, or pick counter to what is in the group, and don’t make an effort to play the game as it is, there is no fun.
The best standard would be a game where you could play with any 26 characters and have fun and a chance to win. The ideal would be 13 heroes being super effective and some being left out.
We currently don’t even have that and something has to change. I used to play this game every night with friends in real life and those i met in game. Now I don’t play at all. Even the overwatch league is boring. I only watch the matches where people use unique group comps with rarely used heroes to win, or at least try.
I hope you make changes and really try to include not just fixes to 1 or 2 heroes but to all of them so If i want to play any hero I can still feel like I’m contributing to a team an not just out for me.
26 heroes, 8 effective. You have your work cut out for you.
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You have to git gud. Play more quickplay .
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that isn’t even what this post is about. That isn’t helpful in the slightest
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Same thing happened with the dive meta, if you wanted to win your best chances were with the same 6 heroes every single game. And that meta was alive for 1.5 years. At least in this meta its a fresh batch of new characters compared to the last meta.
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Dive meta was really on forcing full dive during season 5, before mercys rework.
People seem to forget moth meta for some reason, will always baffel me.
But yeah, after moth meta dive was optimal, but no where near neccasary to win.
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it is and it isn’t. I remember season 1. My point is if you are going to bother to put 26 heroes in a game and have it be fun if you play Lucio or Reaper instead of Hanzo or Mercy it should still be able to work. Currently it doesn’t. That is what is ruining the game. I can play Hanzo or Mercy. I have over 20 or 30 hours on Junkrat but I don’t always want to play him. Almost 50 on Reaper but what’s the point?
A game with this much development shouldn’t boil down to one meta. That is the Issue I feel blizzard is missing. There should be a few meta’s and counter metas, characters who can challenge what is going on, and switch off when it doesn’t work.
But for all the hype and play styles we boil down to 6 to 8 meta characters. That is a problem
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“but nowhere near necessary to win” same could be said for this meta. Diamond rank doesn’t even follow full meta.
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again I’m talking about the core game. I like attack heroes. I like playing
some support. But if i decide to be creative or have fun, and constantly lose to what people know will always work, what is fun or enticing about that?
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Uhhh not really.
The only 2 viable tanks are Rein and Zarya due to Brig simply existing.
Which in turn gives Hanzo an edge with the Gravonstrike combo, not to mention his recent rework.
Why would you run anythimg other than mercy and zen if you want to win?
Widowmaker decimates everything and everyone not behind a shield due to the lack of mobile heroes in this meta.
Pretty darn restrictive if you ask me.
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Ladder pickrates for dive are much healthier than ladder pickrates for the current meta.
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In competitive games brig is only played in 1/2 of my games and therefor dive can be run. Widow is great only if you are a god but not required, especially if you aren’t in GM. Mercy and Hanzo are the only required picks IMO.
Are you comparing Season 4 Dive or Season 9 Dive?
Because those are two completely different beasts.
and that word “required” that is the issue i’m talking about. Nothing should be required with such a vast array of characters. That’s all I’m saying. If only those characters are good, only offer snipers, medics, heavys, and make a much more broken down simple game.
Not trying to attack you, please don’t take it that way. Just making a point
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S9 ,because that was the last time dive was the popular meta on the ladder.
I get your point, but that was the case with zen and mercy in moth dive meta for a while. This games history has always had required picks (IMO) basically seine launch. Not much has changed (again IMO)
Brig not present on enemy team
Run dive
enemy zen dies, switches to brig
Can no longer run dive, have to change entire team structure and lose ult economy.
It’s simply not worth the risk to run dive when Gravonstrike is a much safer and more effective pick.
Season 9 dive at least had more than 8 Viable heroes.
you are 100% right. I just want it to change. To to fee like “ok i’m good with this character and I’d like to play it for a chance to win”. I don’t want a guaranteed win by any means. Player skill, comp, etc. comes into play a LOT.
That said If I have a wiston, reinhardt, lucio, anna, mccree, mei - comp, i feel it should be just as available (skill etc. included) to win as any other comp.
What has turned me off is having 26 choices and 18 of them wrong
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May I ask you, have you felt this way since the launch of this game?
Well there’s your problem. You’re ignoring that Dive had 5 seasons of nerfs, buffs, reworks and new heroes to change it up.
The current meta has not.
Not for a while. I did well with many characters or just had fun.
It wasn’t until the last few months that I noticed no matter what pick I made it didn’t seem to have a big impact if it wasn’t one of the top 8.
I am not in any way the best at many characters but I play a good Zenyatta, I like Zaraya, I have fun with Hanzo, etc. you can look up my stats I’m sure.
It’s the need to only pick those or feel like you have to pick those to be effective that is my issue. I’d like a game where someone picks random attack, random tank, random support, and it could work. And maybe it does. if it doesn’t we talk a quick few seconds re pick and try again.
But if the enemy has the “best of the best” of 26 heroes then why have 26? why bother giving the option. It should work where if they have X squad and we have Y we might counter and they have to come up with a new strategy or try again, too.
it isn’t fun to just grind out the same 2 snipes, zaraya / rein, and mercy / zen and anything else feels empty. Or triple “support” cause lets face it bridgette isn’t support she is a retribution paladin
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