Why I Have Yet to Not Despise Mercy's Current State

[Corpro-1557]

Bear in mind that Resurrect no longer provides Mercy with invulnerability, has a LoS requirement, and has a 1 second cast time. Unlike Transcendence, it does not render a team virtually unkillable for a prolonged duration; Mercy can be eliminated at any time.

Pfft, all it does is bring people back to life! Lol Zen’s trance is light-years ahead in value right?
I’m sorry but if an ultimate’s main utility is to revive allies it’s safe to say that it probably doesn’t need an aoe heal on top; regardless of the restrictions put in place. I’m okay with the idea of a self heal, armor, or shields upon completion, but an aoe heal is too much. You can’t just make the best ultimate better without taking something big from it.

So does Sleep Dart, on paper.

No… No it does not. Not only is sleep dart projectile, but it’s on a hero with virtually zero mobility, a self heal on a long CD, and it’s effects can be negated by 1 hitpoint of damage. That’s why it’s balanced. Your pitiful proposal is nothing like sleep dart and it’d never be balanced on a hero like Mercy.

Actually, her utility in regards to damage boost is mediocre at best. The vast majority of her utility comes from that ultimate on her E right now.

Sure, but there is kinda this other hero who’s high pickrate and W/L is highly dependent on the “mediocre” utility of damage boosting. Didn’t this “mediocre” utility just receive a nerf regarding it’s interaction with Hanzo’s ultimate? Mercy’s “mediocre” ability to damage boost allows heroes like McCree to go from C tier to S tier with the press of a button. It completely broke the first iteration of reworked Hanzo, allowing him to oneshot with storm. It allowed Roadhog to oneshot tanks like Reinhardt in the past. The examples are endless, to deny the amazing utility of damage boost is willful ignorance at this point.

Actually, it doesn’t have the capacity to negate ultimates. It has the capacity to negate parts of specific ultimates.

Nano-boost still provides the 50% damage reduction for its duration and still has double the duration of Pacify.

Supercharger has almost four times the duration of Pacify, and it affects up to 6 targets. A single use of Pacify would nullify a grand 4.4% of Supercharger’s total effect.

However, when used properly and landed, it still has playmaking capacity; as nearly every basic ability does.

Oh yeah parts of specific ultimates. Sure like Dragon blade, Visor, Dragonstrike, deadeye, Tank, riptire, barrage, whole hog, pulse bomb, death blossom, supercharger, and nano included. Because damn me, those ultimates needed more non-ultimate based counters; who better to have it than the most consistent and mobile support that has the ability to revive teammates!

If Mercy were to get Mass Rez back, she would not need more playmaking potential. Just an FYI.

With the way you put it, you would think that damage amplifiers are the most OP abilities in the game…

Where have you been? It literally been defining the meta for months now. Damage boosted Hanzo dragons? Zen being the best secondary support?

They aren’t the most OP abilities, but they are for sure some of the best.

Looking at the support cast now, if Mercy were to theoretically be reverted to her season 5 state, she would need buffs to keep up. Ana and Lucio have both received large buffs since Mercy’s rework. Zenyatta has remained in about the same spot. Moira and Brigitte have been added, and Brigitte was powerful enough to kill dive.

If Mercy were to keep up, she would also need to net a buff from her pre-rework versions.

The fact that we have people saying that the proposed Mercy is a both too powerful and too weak tells me that we probably found a sweet spot…

Or maybe because of Mercy’s year of tyranny, the devs had to buff most supports to allow them to keep up. Now I’m not denying that Mercy would need a buff, but your suggestion solves nothing and leaves Mercy in the same spot; above the rest of the support cast.

I also doubt that anyone who thinks your suggestions are too weak (of all things lmao) has any semblance of balance. If anything this makes her more powerful.

[Xian396-1819]

im not sure if you saw my edit but

nvm nvm. i understand now. so it’d leave a similar trail to widow’s and ana’s scope shot. that’s what the animation refers to, right?

i think you’re idea is closer to the trail of widow’s and ana’s scope shot in a sense that you mentioned a ‘traveling’ animation. most of the animation of 76’s weapon are fairly close to 76’s rifle where as from my understanding the animation for pacify extends further from mercy

[Ungod-1936]

You left it out too, because what you said was how powerful res is. I argued that with your changes it wouldn’t be. What you should have argued is how great your mediocre e ability would be to make up for making her ult complete trash. And we 100% know it would be trash because we’ve had that version of res before minus los.

But look, you’ve made it abundantly clear. You want mass res reverted and you don’t care how trash you make Mercy in the process.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

You want mass res reverted

Thought we already discussed the difference between a rework and revert…

[Ungod-1936]

I’m talking specifically about the ability, not the hero as a whole

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Mass Resurrect is being reverted but you are completely ignoring the significant changes that come with it that make it a rework to mass Resurrect rather than just a revert.

[Ungod-1936]

Nope, for the sake of argument I agree, the package as a whole is a rework. I just think the rework makes Mercy absolute trash because of the res revert.

[BadWidowEU-2419]

What do you mean by trash? OP or underpowered?

[Ungod-1936]

Under powered

20 characters

[BadWidowEU-2419]

Indeed, which most did not have a problem with when playing old Mercy. Also, wouldn’t the e ability balance her ”underpowered” ultimate out therefore, making her kit relatively balanced?

[Ungod-1936]

I Don’t think so, this would basically make it so she didn’t even have an ult. It would be suicide to use it just like it was before and Mercy’s midgame, even with a decent e ability is not enough at anything above gold.

[Almostward-11535]

Here’s the thing. Most of us would rather have a underpowered Mercy for the next few seasons if it ment she would be fun again. Also, if she were to be underpowered for a bit the other healers have a chance to shine, and everyone can stop complaining about Mercy.

Remember this idea will have a flaw or 2 if implemented, but things can change in the future.

[Ungod-1936]

But why go straight to something that we know is flawed? Also fun is subjective. Current Mercy is fun to many

[Titanium-1686]

Pfft, all it does is bring people back to life! Lol Zen’s trance is light-years ahead in value right?

Nice strawman.

I’m sorry but if an ultimate’s main utility is to revive allies it’s safe to say that it probably doesn’t need an aoe heal on top; regardless of the restrictions put in place. I’m okay with the idea of a self heal, armor, or shields upon completion, but an aoe heal is too much. You can’t just make the best ultimate better without taking something big from it.

This tells me that you didn’t actually read the proposals. More was taken away from Resurrect than given to Resurrect.

Resurrect lost:

• Wall-piercing effects.
• Invulnerability on the Mercy.
• Instant cast.

Resurrect gained:

• AoE burst healing for living allies.

No… No it does not. Not only is sleep dart projectile ,

Hence the full disable for 5.5 seconds rather than a damage reduction for 4 seconds.

but it’s on a hero with virtually zero mobility

How does this make a difference?

Pacify is on a hero with virtually zero damage output. That’s great and all, but how is it at all relevant to the discussion?

and it’s effects can be negated by 1 hitpoint of damage.

Except for the brief grace period after its initial impact in which any damage taken doesn’t count. No one in their right mind intentionally shoots at a slept enemy without a plan to eliminate the enemy entirely.

That’s why it’s balanced.

Because it has tradeoffs. Pacify also has tradeoffs. Less powerful than Sleep Dart, but slightly easier to apply.

Your pitiful proposal

• Says an ability is too powerful.
• Also calls that same ability “pitiful”.

Sure, but there is kinda this other hero who’s high pickrate and W/L is highly dependent on the “mediocre” utility of damage boosting. Didn’t this “mediocre” utility just receive a nerf regarding it’s interaction with Hanzo’s ultimate?

And Hanzo’s position in the meta is unchanged.

Very mediocre.

Let’s throw some perspective into this.

Orisa currently gets 1108 damage amplified/game. She gets this statistic only from her ultimate, Supercharger.

Mercy currently gets 778 damage amplified/game. She gets that statistic from both her damage boost as an alternate fire and Valkyrie.

Mediocre.

Mercy’s “mediocre” ability to damage boost allows heroes like McCree to go from C tier to S tier with the press of a button.

I do not recall McCree every being S tier. Source?

It completely broke the first iteration of reworked Hanzo, allowing him to oneshot with storm. It allowed Roadhog to oneshot tanks like Reinhardt in the past. The examples are endless, to deny the amazing utility of damage boost is willful ignorance at this point.

And in practice, it doesn’t come close to Orisa’s Supercharger alone. To overstate it is hyperbole.

Oh yeah parts of specific ultimates. Sure like Dragon blade, Visor, Dragonstrike, deadeye, Tank, riptire, barrage, whole hog, pulse bomb, death blossom, supercharger, and nano included. Because damn me, those ultimates needed more non-ultimate based counters; who better to have it than the most consistent and mobile support that has the ability to revive teammates!

Oh no, a support that has the potential to intervene during enemy ultimates using basic attacks/abilities… like… nearly every other support…

• Sleep Dart.
• Biotic Grenade.
• Discord + some balls.
• Lucio Blitzkrieg with Amp It Up on Speed Boost.
• Literally all of Brigitte.

Where have you been? It literally been defining the meta for months now. Damage boosted Hanzo dragons?

And now it doesn’t work on Hanzo’s ultimate and his pickrate has… stayed the same.

Or maybe because of Mercy’s year of tyranny, the devs had to buff most supports to allow them to keep up. Now I’m not denying that Mercy would need a buff, but your suggestion solves nothing and leaves Mercy in the same spot; above the rest of the support cast.

I also doubt that anyone who thinks your suggestions are too weak (of all things lmao) has any semblance of balance. If anything this makes her more powerful.

Allow me to introduce you to…

So many words just to say you want a revert. But not only that, you want a revert of her ultimate to a point where it was considered a trash ultimate, and then you want to include more nerfs on top of the already trash ult?? This logic makes no sense to me. I don’t think having a mediocre e ability will make up for her extra trash ultimate.

[Ungod-1936]

Hey hey, you found it! Good for you!

[Titanium-1686]

You left it out too, because what you said was how powerful res is. I argued that with your changes it wouldn’t be. What you should have argued is how great your mediocre e ability would be to make up for making her ult complete trash. And we 100% know it would be trash because we’ve had that version of res before minus los.

But look, you’ve made it abundantly clear. You want mass res reverted and you don’t care how trash you make Mercy in the process.

I want you to talk to this guy:

Mass ressurect healing all living allies for 150 on top of reviving dead allies is a bit much. That makes it incredibly powerful and Mass Rez is already the most powerful ultimate to have ever existed in Overwatch. If just Mercy got healed for completing the cast, I’d be for that.

Pacify sounds incredibly overpowered. A hitscan ability that reduces the damage dealt by the target by 33% for 4 seconds? Really? That’s actually insane. Mercy already has amazing utility in the form of damage boost, she doesn’t need any more. Certainly not in the form of a Sym ball sized hitscan debuff that has the ability to nearly negate ultimates on a measly CD of 10 seconds. Even if it were the size of Widow’s shot It’d still be way too powerful. That gives Mercy the ability to shutdown way too many heroes that rely on their damage output.
If the objective is to bring Mercy back down to earth and redeem what made her fun, it’s probably best not to suggest changes that’d put her more leagues above the rest of the support class.

Pacify is a cool idea. Never want to see it or anything like it in the game though.

I don’t really mind the Angelic descent idea. I really don’t think Mercy is in need of any more mobility though.

[Absql-1290]

Let me ask a question to everyone…
Is it really that big of a deal for a hero to perform best in lower elos?
looks at ungod

[Arcalias-2773]

Combined, she has healed 3,750 + 3,000 = 6,750 health in a minute.

No.
You overestimated the total healing by adding the healing done without Valk over 60s and the healing done with Valk over 15s, but you said she did both of these during 60s, which isn’t possible.

Let’s just say that every minute, she has the time to build up Valkyrie from 0% ult charge, and to use it entirely (which is a rather bad aproximation considering Valk cannot be charged during only 45s of uninterupted healing).
Over this minute, she did 45s of classic healing and 15s of Valkeasy healing for a total of 60s.
Assuming she is constantly healing someone, and is constantly healing 5 allies at once during Valkeasy, she did:
50 * 45 = 2250 classic healing.
50 * 5 * 15 = 3750 Valkeasy healing.
2250 + 3750 = 6000 total healing.

Healing: 16,25 HPS // Amp it up: 46,8 HPS

That isn’t exact. Lucio does 16,25 hps to nearby allies, but only 12,5 hps to himself. Amp it up follow the same rules, as it heals for 46,8 hps to nearby allies, but only 35,1 to himself.
You also did the same error as with Mercy when calculating total healing.

During 1 minute, Lucio is given 5 times the ability to use amp it up, which has a total duration of 15s (3 * 5). During this 1 minute, he healed without amp it up for a total duration of 45s.

Normal healing:
16.25 healing done to 4 allies over 45s = 2925 healing.
12.5 selfhealing over 45s: 562.5 healing.
Amp it up:
46.8 healing done to 4 allies over 15s = 2808 healing.
35.1 selfhealing over 15s = 526.5 healing.
Total:
2925 + 562.5 + 2808 + 526.5 = 6822.

Just wanted the maths to be right

[Ungod-1936]

What can I say, some of us remember history, some are doomed to repeat it like you and him want to do.

[Absql-1290]

can i ask what is wrong with Mercy being best in low elos?