All too often I’m frustrated with my sr and feel like climbing is impossible, so I look to see what pro players, streamers, and YouTubers have to say about elo hell and getting out of it, almost unanimously the consensus is, if you’re good enough then you’ll climb. But if you think about this even slightly it makes no sense, the expectation that they’re setting is essentially that you should be able to hard carry every match no matter how bad your teammates are. This is absolutely ridiculous. If you get placed with the worst people you are going to lose, you can’t contest a point by yourself as a support because your tanks all decide to leave the point to kill an out of the way torb turret. Unless the enemy is so horrible that 6 of them can’t kill a single support (which will never happen) you’ll die almost instantly if nobody else is contesting. This game is about relying on and working with your teammates so if you play with horrible people then no matter how perfectly you play you will never be able to win. And grouping up is a good way to win more matches, but you can’t always play in a six stack for every match because people are often busy or might just not be able to play.
Top players deny it because every time one of them tries to do a Bronze-to-GM, they are successful. Being stuck in “Elo Hell” just means that you’re at your real rank. You can’t hard carry in this game. You will win matches and you will lose matches. However, winning more than 50% of your matches will allow you to climb.
Talk about self-serving bias.
Firstly I would like to say I’m mid plat and elo hell doesn’t exist. Always remember you are in the same sr as your “terrible” teammates. Elo hell is basically another excuse that you can’t carry/climb because you reached your peak and now you have to try 110% rather than 100% now. Always try to take the blame when your team loses because even if you carried and lost, there must have been atleast 1 or more mistakes that you made in that game. When you reach your peak you have to try even harder than before to climb. Also sr literally does not matter, imagine it as a number that puts you in a game, that’s basically all it does. Sr doesn’t matter because you will always lose it and when you lose it you get toxic but if you play the game to improve, even if you do lose you won’t be mad because you tried your best and slowly improved. There is no “quick” way to climbing, getting good takes time, practice, and persistance and if you can’t accept then you shouldn’t play comp, simple as that.
First part is true, but that last part is not true. If you watch stevoo’s bronze to GM you’ll see that because he didn’t use a fresh account but rather deranked an old one that had placed in gold the last season it was played in, the SR started throttling him really fiercely after he got from bronze to where he placed it the last time. This meant that the climb through gold and plat was a snail’s pace even at his almost immaculate winrate, but realistically with that much throttling, anything below 65% would not have climbed at all because the average SR per game at that wr would have been like 5SR/game.
That part has nothing to do with the whole elo hell thing though, but needed clarification.
Op you are bronze on PS4. You need to work on your gameplay before blaming anything else
GM friend did a Bronze to GM run. He said he averaged around 60 SR per day of playing. It’s a grind, my friend. There are plenty of places to submit your VODs for review, and people can tell you exactly what you’re doing wrong.
what is exact definition of elo hell?
i have climbed from bronze to master in 6 seasons and sometime i knew i deserved like 300 sr more than i was at a current state and sometimes i would climb or drop alot without changing in my gameplay at all. but the general rule is everyone is 500 sr within their real rank.
Oh I know its a grind, I do submit my vods for other people to review and do not believe Elo hell is real. I managed to get out of bronze because of it, self awareness and not blaming your team is super important. I am absolutely 100% not one of these people crying that its too hard to climb and elo hell is gibberish. Its meant to be hard to climb, you’re supposed to get progressively too damn heavy to be carried, the system works.
No. The enemy team isn’t always straight up better than your teammates with you being the inly “good” player. THIS is ridiculous. You talk like you always get the bad players in bronze while the enemy magically is able to group up and stuff.
When everyone else is a bronzeplayer and you are way better you will climb out easily. If you are just slightly better, say, silver, it will naturally take a while to climb but you won’t be hard stuck.
You could always upload a few games (in a row in the same video, so you don’t cherrypick) and post a link here, to prove to everybody that you are better than your current rank - or everyone will see your mistakes and someone can point them out so you eventually realize why you are really stuck.
Elo Hell is most definitely real. As a counter to all the anecdotes people will give you of, “I am super good and I climbed out without a problem,” I have one of my own:
I was grinding my way through silver when I came across a Genji who seemed quite a bit better than most silver Genji players. I inspected his profile expecting evidence of smurfing, but instead saw that this season he had made it to Master and somehow fell into Silver. (I think he said he got hit hard but rating decay and then had an unlucky streak, but that is not terribly relevant.) He was definitely “good enough” to climb, and yet he was stuck in Silver. We beat him because my team was better than the rest of his and we were just coordinated enough to focus him down each fight. There is definitely an element of luck involved, “getting gud” is not enough to climb.
Which becomes less and less relevant when you play more and more games.
Ah, also: The same ways to play don’t necessarily work at all levels equally as well since the people around you behave differently. When you rely on a silverteam as if they were masters you will naturally be let down.
Are you even sure that person did not just throw to derank?
I can’t be sure that he didn’t throw, all I know is that he was in one of my silver games and his season high (not career high) was in Master. I am just throwing that story out there because when I played against him, he was definitely trying to get out and he admitted how hard it was.
and he lied… odds are he was hard boosted to masters by way of a friend or $$ payment and then crashed back down to earth. Yet story wise it sounds better to say it’s some elo hell like issue being people he run into under 3k will believe it. Those of us who have been 3k+ know it’s a lie.
Being even a low diamond can curb stomp out most golds with no effort, never mind silver.
The main issue with ranking up is people just don’t understand how many games you have to play to go from say plat to 3k, how much you have to win and so on. It’s very much like weight loss, you can’t just go super hard at the gym for 5 days and then wonder why you are not down 40+ pounds.
You have to life style yourself to your goal over months or maybe even years in some cases. Comp is the same thing. Play 100s and 100s of games, win 55%+ of them and you rank up. Play less, win less and you don’t move up.
This is really peculiar. I would have thought a master genji just mows silverplayers down. Their aim and positioning must be quite a bit better. It does make me curious, but I do believe there was some degree of intentional loosing involved. Maybe they just tilt really hard because their team doesn’t do what they want just because they were in masters?
Ah… sounds reasonable. I forgot people boost for money >.>
He was curb stomping us, that’s why I inspected him initially. Problem was we were just organized enough to focus him, I don’t care how good you are, 6v1 is a very hard fight. Maybe he placed higher than he should have, but I have no problem believing he is/will be genuinely in diamond at least.
I don’t know if you have ever been in silver, but it is pretty awful. I finally made it back out by switching back to almost exclusively Moira, strapping on a saddle, and carrying my teams. I really wish I was inflating my ego there, but it was essentially that I needed like 4 gold medals and a silver to win.
When I finally made it back to gold, the difference was amazing. I think gained 200 sr before I finally lost. In my eyes, ELO Hell is very real, and my time in silver epitomizes it.
He was lying. I couldn’t fall to silver if I was trying. Even if he decayed to 3k thats still 1500-1000sr to drop. That is a ridiculous amount of games, that’s between 30 and 50 games and that’s me being generous with 30ish SR lost per game.
He was boosted, or he lied.
A Master in Silver is what we call a deranker lul, come one dude use your brain. I played in silver with my sister account , no way a Master would fall there without trolling
the expectation that they’re setting is essentially that you should be able to hard carry every match no matter how bad your teammates are.
no, they expect that if you’re better than your current rank that you’ll gradually climb over multiple games.
Look, I’m not saying I believe his story. But his account was Master this season and he was definitely better than Silver. The whole point of the story is that it is a bit harder than simply getting better than the other people in you division to rank up.
Yeah I would agree if every game had a masters/gm level smurf in it. That is far from the truth. “Elo Hell” is where you peak at your skill level and cannot climb past it. This really is a case of “git gud”.