Hey!
Did anyone get an answer on this?
I feel like her having 3 lives is part of the reason she’s OP. She can afford to be more bold with her Duplicated character because she doesn’t suffer the same death-risk as ‘normal’ heroes.
I know that Blizzard want their newer heroes to feel OP (to get people to play them an drum up excitement (which is kinda basic, and cringe?) but surely she’s been out long enough to be reined back in?
One Echo life. One Ult life. A period of Invulnerability. And another Echo life.
That’s busted. 
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If she came back to life with the life she had going in, that would help out. Or if she came out her ult once she has used the copied ult, I think that would also be a good idea. Don’t think she should have the ability to get it twice tbh.
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Removing her extra live would make the ult useless and force her to only copy tanks.
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Making her die when she’s in her copy mode would be good.
Feels really damn unfair when you bring an echo close to death, then she copies someone, you have to kill that or run the timer down, then she has full health at the end of it. God help you if she copies a tank like Winston or Dva, where she has multiple lives.
Really hope they nerf it soon.
That was because the game wasn’t ready for the extra hero. She becomes like a temporary pointer for a few seconds then return to her older state. That’s also the reason behind the target player cannot swap hero during the process. Maybe they could solve that in ow2.
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Why Doesn’t Junkrat Die During RIP-Tire?
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He can, if somebody hits him, not the wheel. The wheel works like d.va meka and b.o.b works like torb turret.
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Echo can, if somebody hits her, not the clone.
It is an Ult it isn’t like she can use it whenever she wants, she is OP cause of her mobility dive and skicky’s and beam her ult is just a perk that is similar to winstons ult that instantly heals her which lets her use it defensively or offensively.
I think it is fine that she gets a second life after her ult is wasted. If people target her when she ults like they do when Genji ults, they can nullify her ultimate.
I really like Echo, I love her design and her toolkit, she is so fun to play. I love that she is DPS and not support (my hot take, my unpopular opinion, my @ me) and it’s somewhat a conflict of interest, but I think the invincibility frames she gets when she ults is dumb. It would be better if her ult was easier to cancel from the jump.
I think making her die when her ult is expended would suck big time. For her, not for anyone else.
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An echo still regains health when she comes out of it, and if she uses it, killing her only ends the ult and not her. She’s still able to fight and fly afterwards. Essentially, you have to kill her twice to do so.
Yeah it is very stupid mechanic. You have no interest of even trying to stop her knowing that she won’t die.
and if Junkrat uses it, killing rip-tire only ends the ult and not him. He’s still able to fight and jump afterwards. Essentially, you have to kill him twice to do so.
Killing the ult early leaves him vulnerable since it takes a single second for him to respond, and destroying a tire is much easier compared to an Echo who, depending on the target copy, can get far more value than a tire.
Echo in contrast, when you kill her out of her ult, she has an invulnerable frame and gets all her hp back. This is especially true when a low hp echo can ult, becomes full hp, dies/ends ult, then get all her hp back to full.
Do I also have to point out that even in the START UP of riptire animation, you can actually shoot the tire before Junkrat even finishes the animation since it’s counted as an item that already spawned? Echo gets an i-frame for her startup and end.
It doesnt need any nerf. Most of the time you try to copy someone as echo it doesn’t even work because of all the spam burst damage in the game, not to mention most of the time in uncoordinated teams (and there are many) jer ult is garbage because she just feeds enemy team and her copy dies right away because of the long cast time she’s immobile when duplicating and she doesn’t even get to use the duplicate ult during her copy.
She should have her ult handled like this:
With the hp that echo has (lets say 100hp) that she duplicates into and by the time she gets out of duplicated form, she should have the same hp that she had before she duplicated (which she would come out with 100hp before duplication).
It totally needs a nerf. Out of everything in Echo overloaded kit, her ult is the most egregious one. It’s worse when she copies a tank and fights on point.
You say she can’t get value on uncoordinated teams, the opposite is true because in uncoordinated teams, people tend to either ignore the echo and go for other things, there ain’t enough focus fire or the Echo pushes together with her own tanks.
I also contest she’s immobile when she’s duplicating because she gets an i-frame from it, and able to charge her ult very fast. Even multiple times as well.
This is called a self-fulfilled prophecy. She surely won’t die if you have no interest in even trying to stop her.
she has two during duplicate, she only gets three if she duplicates d.va