WHY does Widow need a nerf, I mean really?

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I think she should still be able to one-shot, for multiple reasons.
BUT, maybe squishy specific heroes, or nerf the damage and charge rate, and make charge rate slower.

Widow has always been able to one shot, it’s her entire character design!

Hanzo, I don’t think should be able to oneshot, but I also dislike Hanzo for multiple reasons, i’m probably coming from biased views for that.

Widow is annoying as (swore), correct.
I play her myself- and I can’t stand Widow sometimes. But removing her ability to one shot?
That’s…kind of ridiculous.

And the fact is, if an enemy Widow is getting good picks off your team, and is annoying you she’s doing her job well and is effective.
That’s a good Widow, and because she annoys people, people want her nerfed.

So, essentially, players are saying “this Widow on the enemy team is playing well, they’re doing their job but I hate this, I want the character nerfed for being played right”

You’re not guaranteed a win every game, you’re not guaranteed to never die. Widow is a skill based hero, and so people who are skilful with her (good for them!) should have to suffer with the hero they play for doing what they’re SUPPOSED TO?? Right-

If you’re a support, most of the time it’s natural to expect to be hunted down somehow, and if you’re a flanker in Widows los she’s obviously going to shoot at you so YOU don’t do your job effectively.
That’s not a hero needing to be nerfed, that’s how FPS PVP games work.

You KILL each other to TRY AND WIN.

I’m still gonna get told to shush but whatever lol

Edit: I’d just like to add, most people complain about any hero that killed them in a game in pure salt. Sometimes, it’s an actual problem, but usually people are just mad that somebody killed them a few times in a game with one character and claims the hero is “OP” and “needs to be balanced”
No, that’s just being salty at somebody who was able to outplay you with a specific hero

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Because I don’t want my matches decided by yet another type of luck, where I automatically win/lose based upon which team got the god widow.
She doesn’t need a nerf. Maps need huge reworks. But that’s not happening, thus, nerf Widow.

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This isn’t the problem,

The problem is the impact one hero has on the rest of the cast and the game,
How this one hero dictates METAs and team comps
And the overwhelming mobility on a sniper
With no weakness

And how pale other hitscans are compared to it

IMO Hanzo is fine btw

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Its not specifically one shotting is the problem.

Its oneshotting very fast from any distance which turns it into problem.

Hanzo physically cant one shot 200hp hero every second.

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I can get behind slower charge rate. Slowing down her fire rate could justify her one shot compared to the other hitscans who can shoot faster, but not by much currently.

Otherwise? The requested nerfs are just delusional. Her damage is fine, her range is fine, her HP is fine, her mobility is fine, and her kit as a whole is absolutely fine.

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Change her mobility…? Thats what the forum wants the most, i guess.

I don’t want her to be nerfed.

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Yeah that’s true, maybe she could have falloff damage?
Or fire at slower rates, increase the time to fully charge and shoot at a maximum at 100%, everything else isn’t as effective.

Maybe even make her headshot hitbox slower, if that’s possible

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Slower firerate, or requiring more bullets for shot will be enough. like 10 bullets for 100% charge.

As of now she can one shot 10 200hp heroes in a row lol

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I’m perfectly fine with that too.

But loads of people want her to lose the ability to one-shot, and i’ve seen a couple to outright delete her.
I mean, come on

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Falloff damage on a sniper makes less than zero sense. The hero is exactly designed to excel from far range, and suck at close range.

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Yeah that’s true, but I mean if it helps get rid of the META and whatnot, maybe even a try out in the PTR wouldn’t hurt.

But they’d probably release it to live servers anyway

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The meta is already horrible for Widow.

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This META should be horrible for her, especially if a Sigma’s in a game and can deploy his shield at any time I really don’t see how Widow is as effective.

Shove it in her face, it’s really not hard to figure out honestly

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And she’s still fantastic in this meta. What more proof do we need that she’s absurd?

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Because her counters dont counter her. The moment this meta is over widowmaker will be back again and will make every other hitscan hero useless.

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Widowmaker is far from op. If you play heroes that can counter her like hamster, you will see dead widows in the kill feed all the time. (Granted you must play a good hamster)

Also some basic knowledge on widow is important. Such as knowing her normal locations and crouch timing while moving around walls to prevent headshots. I recommend playing Mercy and pocketing a widow on your team to really get a sense on how she plays without you needing to actually play her. It is unfortunate that I think smurf widows give her an impression of impossibly op. Since she is a character that can kill from such far range.

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I think for the most part its just the fact that widow has little drawback to missing shots because she has such a high fire rate, let alone that she doesnt have fall off, recoil or spread.

but but reducing how fast she is able to to shoot such powerful shots will go a long way, especially now where its gurenteed that there will be 4 possbile squishy targets to instagib in a game where even losing one memebr of your team means a lost team fight or large dealy

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150 hp or damage interrupts grapple and puts it on half cd (similar to sombra’s hack) seem to me like good options. She would therefore keep her mobility as a “set-up tool” but would be way more sensible to being dived.

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My personal opinion on the matter is that she’s not necessarily over/underpowered, but rather, just really oddly designed as a character in a team game.

Widow has vanishingly sparse team presence, merely existing as an aside, almost. If she’s bad, it’s essentially a 5v6; if she’s good, a lot of the teamplay becomes irrelevant; if she’s great, there’s not much else for the rest to do, now, is there.

There’s also the fact that she offers nothing to the team, save for her ult, which just helps her get more kills — or not, sometimes.

Widow requires next to no support — though it doesn’t go amiss. She plays far enough back, and at appropriate angles, such as that she’s never in any immediate danger, and has the means to escape should she ever come under fire/get dived. She’s, essentially, the epitome of solo play, which is odd for a team game.

Her ability to one-shot isn’t in and of itself an issue, merely the ease of access she has to it — there’s no set-up or commitment, or even significant drawback on fail, at least in most ranks.

What I, personally, want from Widow, is more inherent teamplay by design, both in dependence and offering.

Granted, I speak only for myself.

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Fantastic? By what metric?

She is negative in winrate all the way up to Diamond, about breaks even in Diamond and Masters, and has a good winrate and a middle of the pack pickrate at GM only. No where near “fantastic”.

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