Dying isnt supposed to be fun in any game and it shouldn’t merit a nerf on every character that kills you just because you say theyre anti fun so you can have the upper hand and smash them. Honestly if you cant counter a tracer or need your entire team to focus her then you deserve stay at your garbage elo that I throw at.
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She’s a fast moving, teleporting hero in a game that has no reliable counters to mobility.
Sombra? Underpowered.
Mei? Only slow down base movement.
Torbjorn? His Turret attack all enemies and is easy to destroy.
Because of this has Tracer too much freedom to do what she wants without much fear. She’s a glass canon, but once mastered is she an unstoppable canon.
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Seeing as how Blizzard couldn’t release an actual counter pre-Brigitte and releasing an anti-mobility CC Hero counters immobile Heroes more than the targeted mobile Heroes, it’s better to just directly address the problem instead of trying to make a work around solution
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ana, mccree, zenyatta, and roadhog are heros with high picks that have an insta kill combo for tracer. 9 times out of 10 the tracer is gonna suck because of the skill ceiling she has so its actually more likely youre going to outplay a tracer especially at an elo below diamond
She doesn’t need a nerf. She needs a real hard counter.
kinda like the heroes i just mentioned?
Tracer doesn’t need a Nerf. All of the different hero groups need to switch when they are countered.
For some of them, there wasn’t a hero to switch to, that’s all.
So, for some heroes, if you were countered, there was no where to go.
What can you do then?
So the people who played them felt she was op. Because to them, she was. They had no choice.
Brigitte goes a long way to fixing that.
That’s all. Counters provide a safety valve to the game.
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The ability to kill someone doesn’t make them a counter.
It just makes it possible to fight back.
A counter is you can switch so something which makes the fight heavily tilted in your direction.
Ana will lose most fights with a tracer of the same skill level. So tracer counters Ana not the other way around.
Zen also.
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those are soft counters not hard counters. tracer has multiple ways to dodge them.
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The problem is, how are you gonna achieve that without making that Hero counter immobile Heroes more than Tracer? Brigitte can be labelled as a Tracer counter, but she counters immobile Heroes like Reinhardt more and enables Tracer as well with her armor
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It’s only a soft counter if the fight is only slightly tilted in their direction. It is not. It just isn’t as bad as other heroes.
Good question.
There is the rub. To counter mobility heroes you need ways to make their mobility less of a thing in the fight.
So cc is a common game design.
Cc can be a blunt instrument.
so what im gathering from all this is that people below diamond cant aim apparently
It’s because people saw her do well in OWL and everyone thinks the same thing is happening in their games.
Before OWL started all the gold players here were saying spam meta was ruining OW, and Orisa and Pharah need nerfs. Now they think that they’re being spawncamped by s0on and being constantly one clipped down in gold.
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a lot of the people complaining think theyre being outplayed by dafran when theyre playing gold lol
Those heroes certainly are not hard counters to Tracer. Ana and Zen struggle hard against her; Zen fairs better between the two. An equal Tracer and McCree matchup is 50/50 at best. Roadhog v Tracer usually just ends with Tracer farming some ult off of the hog then bailing.
That being said, I agree with you that I don’t think they should try to force heroes in just to counter flankers. I think they are examples of heroes balanced perfectly. In bad players’ hands, they are trash and constantly get picked off. In decently skilled hands, they are a force to reckon with but have some pretty tough matchups. In the hands of a player who has mastered them, they are godly and require significant teamwork to contain.
Quick addition to my post: I do think adding new heroes that can counter flankers is fine as long as it’s done right. I feel that Brigitte is a counter done wrong. Her kit is far too forgiving and the skill requirment to counter experienced flankers is abysmally low. I played her in a few PUGs today to see how she was, and I was able to easily take down GM Tracers with minimal effort. These are Tracers who have hundreds of hours in this hero, and here I was with less than 10 hours in Brigitte (in qp, no less), and I was able to hard counter them. No doubt they will begin to learn how to handle Brigittes, but it was still shocking just how effortlessly I could contain them.
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But then you get the issue of CC that can either be bad (abilities that can be easily dodged with mobility like Sleep Dart, Hook) or be oppressive to the non-mobile Heroes (Shield Bash)
She doesn’t need a nerf now that Brigitte is in the game.
Unfortunately you flanker mains are now crying for HER to be nerfed, for the exact reasons you stated in your post.
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i havent seen a single nerf brigitte thread
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Why is this even beeing discussed ? Yes , tracer needs a good nerf.
Lets say you compare zenyatta and tracer , why must zenyatta have full awarness of the fight thats going on, who to heal where to posisioning himself incase he needs to use ult. And full awarness of flankers , and better aim to be effective. Tracer kills zenyatta in 0,5 seconds , u cant even react in that time.
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