Some heroes being trash doesn’t mean we should make them all trash. Doom was nerfed because people complained and the complaints about him were across categories and so more numerous. It’s not special treatment to not gut heroes because the forum complains. It’s called actually managing your game
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His damage in a burst is great.
But it’s also horrendously inconsistent, which puts him on the lower end of damage amongst all the Damage heroes.
Swift Strike is the glue that keeps his entire kit together and without it he’d probably fail as a hero. If he can’t get out of a fight, he’s useless.
Genji’s entire M.O. is getting in close and getting in quick to try and burst down a target; if he takes too long, botches his escape, or even has his escape disabled…he’s going to die.
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That’s what they want. They want things easy. They don’t like dying. So even now when DPS are the least powerful they have ever been to the point of being irrelevant if you are good enough at the game, people want DPS nerfed
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It’s more to make Genji have an escape option after a kill or to add on to the kill streak
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Kinda seems like they wanted him to be this super mobile glass cannon (ala tracer) but didn’t realize how far people were going to take him skill wise.
It’d be like if you were playing baseball against a group of kids that were way worse than you, so you’re like “okay we’ll let you play to 4 outs, while we still have to play to 3” to even/balance things out.
But then through practice, that team improves to the point where that extra out is a huge advantage, but now the cat’s outta the bag, and they couldn’t remove swift strike without seriously alienating a lot of players.
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He doesn’t deal sustained damage. He either pokes with M1 damage or has an incredibly high amount of CQB damage with his M2, melee ± dash combo. That’s it. His reset on dash was most likely implemented to help out his ult and provide an escape. You kill one person with it and everyone knows where you are, but if you have no way to reach them, you’re a sitting duck.
Either way, his damage dealing potential is great and I personally think his entire kit is bloated, inherently unfair and was purely created to give emotional support to 12 yr old weebs who get bullied for being weebs.
I don’t like jumping to the cynical thoughts and what not (especially on the forums) but nerfing DPS is probably the worst thing that you’d want as a Support or Tank-Main…and this is coming from a Support-Main.
I mean, by now we should realize that if DPS are too weak to do their jobs, the Tanks & Supports are going to have to get nerfed or the DPS get buffed to compensate.
I think to give him a way to get out.
That would require people thinking beyond their own hero which they do not do on these forums. People don’t look at the big picture. They don’t think beyond “oh this flanker killed me, must be OP”. I don’t like being cynical but that’s what I see
But they don’t Epsilon. They don’t realise this. People around here don’t even know that tanks and supports have been the most powerful classes in OW for a very very very long time.
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He didn’t have that for the majority of the games lifespan. Also his projectiles are tied smallest in the game.
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And he only got said “lovely” mobility because people were actually complaining about an F tier hero and expected said hero to stay F tier after the rework in which they removed the primary reason they wouldn’t buff him
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I honestly wish it either reset on on elims,
Or removed the dash reset in favor of a shorter cooldown overall.
Because that actually makes sense.
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You don’t do yourself many favors to your maturity level when you make posts like this, my man.
Genji’s kit isn’t bloated and his damage is pretty poor considering that it only does 28 damage per shuriken.
Sure, the burst damage is great when all three of the shuriken connect, but that isn’t always the case.
His kit was made in a way that he was forced to get in close to maximize his burst potential, otherwise, he’d be tickling the enemy team.
You take away his ability to close in and then quickly get back out, then he’s not going to be able to do anything.
Come on man, let’s be objective here.
Yes, Genji can be annoying, but to say that it’s bloated when characters like Ana (my favorite hero), Brigitte, Mercy, Sombra have just as “bloated” kits.
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It does reset on elims. If you meant on final blows, that would just make kill stealing an actual thing and just discourage teamwork.
Blade, the only part of him that makes him worth picking at a high level, would be absolute trash with a short cooldown as opposed to resets
This is a nosense argument.
because that ability does that.
Genji’s Swift strike already move him almost instantly in any direction for 14 meters and does 50 damage. This alone is a really good ability. Super good compared to mccree roll.
The reset genji gets is just a plus he gets because it’s him. It can’t be compared to other abilities.
Like really you can’t say cooldown reduction is part of genji’s Swift Strike ability…
It’s just a joke bro. I don’t see how that wasn’t obvious. I’m clearly being sarcastic. I never even called for a nerf or a change. Quit assuming I have an agenda.
More to the point, no hero has as many singularly unique abilities and passives as Genji does.
M1
M2
Reflect
Dash
Dragon Blade
Double-jump
Wall Climbing
Dash reset on kill
Dash reset on ult
He has the most unique individual abilities and passives out of any hero. Please inform me if I’m wrong, because I’m drawing a blank. If I’m not, he is the definition of a bloated kit by comparison to all other hero ability and passive pools.
Cheers.
Edit: After careful consideration and a thorough annihilation from fellow bros, Gonju is confirmed not the most bloated kit, but rests right up there with Ana, Mei and Sombra. Possibly Lucio. Need some more data on that one.
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I don’t get it either. No other hero have anything that works like it. If anything, it feels out of place like it belongs to Paladins or something. It throws the gameplay logic out of the window.
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It’s just how most transformation ults work. Same goes for soldier with his rocket and heal.
So just give him a lower cooldown.
OW is ability-based and part of the gameplay is take in consideration which abilities your enemy has in cooldown.
Genji can just chain kill after kill and it is really annoying
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Bc his damage is really low unless he can chain multiple Swift Strikes. Getting this things reliably isnt as easy as it seems at firts.
His shurikens hit for less than a melee attack unless they crit for starters. The only way a Genji can burst you down instantly without ult its if he hit 3 consecutive headshots followed by a Swift Strike, a pretty hard stunt to pull consistently to be honest, at least for me it still is even after almost 200hrs of playing him.
On the other hand,it is less mechanically demanding to burst someone with Reaper or Widow.
In regards to balance, I think it its supposed to be his escape ability. Let me explain, Reaper has sustain through his life-steal, and can get out of the fight using wraith. Lets keep in mind, he is supposed to engage with Shadow-Step, and disengage and or chase enemies with Wraith. How would Genji be able to get out alive after diving someone without his dash uop if he needs that same dash to burst that target down?
In conclusion, I think Genji needs the dash to make up for the low damage his primary has and the CQC nature of his kit. Also blade would be useless without the reset.
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