Why Does Hanzo Generate Ult Charge While Using His Ultimate But Widow Doesn’t?
the point also stands for Brigitte, why doesn’t she gain any ult charge then?
Sure Hanzo doesn’t generate it directly from his ultimate, but so does Widow and Briggi tbh.
B, but how do you calculate how long till the dragon disappears?
make it disappear after 15.5 seconds (same as Widowmaker’s ultimate)
As we all know Hanzo now generates his ult, let’s face it too fast, maybe that could be the well needed nerf/fix?
I’m surprised to learn this… the only other ultimate in the game that allows this is Symmetra’s current shield gen/teleporter (and it’s going to be phased out for her rework).
Because he wouldn’t be able to get ult charge for a good while because they have to leave the map then despawn
The solution OP proposed is worthwhile. It’s a cooldown timer – for 15.5 seconds (or just 10 seconds, really) after he fires Dragonstrike, he’s just disallowed from getting ultimate charge.
The dragons don’t even need to disappear at that point, they can still keep on going until hitting the map edges.
They can also make it so Dragons never award ultimate charge (if he tries to do an across-the-map spawn room firing of Dragonstrike to try to get around the 15.5 second timer, if the Dragons never award ultimate charge then it’s not a problem).
Once Symmetra’s rework goes out, Hanzo will be the only character in the game that can generate ultimate whilst his ultimate is still active and out in the world doing damage. Making a 10+ second ultimate charge cooldown isn’t out of the question.
Thats why OP said it should disappear after 15.5 seconds.
10 seconds is a long time
So?
I repeat myself.
Symmetra will adhere to this rule when her rework rolls out, no more refunding of ultimates on point capture.
There’s no reason why Hanzo should be exempt.
All other heroes require waiting until the duration of their ultimate is over before they can continue building up ultimate charge.
Graviton is 4 seconds
Earthshatter is 2.5 seconds
Molten Core is 12 seconds
Primal Rage is 10 seconds
Configuration Tank is 8 seconds
Infra-Sight is 15.5 seconds
Almost all of these are super long times to wait to regain ultimate charge. 10 seconds is generous, especially since the Dragons take longer to go from one map edge to the other.
There’s no ult in the game that generates ult charge while the ult is active other than Hanzo, Ana doesn’t, Widow Doesn’t, Soldier doesn’t, etc.
My guess is it’s because it’s the only ultimate that does not last for a set time, aside from (old) Sym. Once you’ve launched it, it’s a “set it and forget it” ult. Everything else has a max duration in terms of seconds; Dragonstrike only ends if it is deflected/DM’d immediately, or when it drifts out of the boundaries of the map. It’ll last a very long time if you shoot it along the max length of a map like King’ s Row (where it will spend most of its duration not doing anything useful), and almost no time if you shoot it straight down from high ground into a grav’d team beneath you.
I suppose I don’t mind putting a cap on how long Dragonstrike can last, but then the ult charge should start rebuilding as soon as the dragons are destroyed or out of bounds, whether or not that max cap has been reached.
Because, it’s okay for Hanzo to be OPAF because he was a troll pick for 2 years.
According to Hanzo one tricks.
And it’s actually funny because we currently have a problem with his ult charge…gains?
They are simply too high, not pointing fingers anywhere but this might be why, it’s the only ultimate that when “active*” still gives ult charge. 
You don’t get more ult charge when you damage or kill enemies with Hanzo’s ult.
You can however if you shoot enemies with your normal arrows while the ult is still flying across the screen. For me, it’s a non-issue as the ult only effectively lasts 3 seconds in any map you play on, and the idea of using Hanzo as a zoning ult to set up easier headshots with your normal arrows is just not worth considering the actual value of dragonstrike.
Outside of grav wombos, shoot the dragonstrike in an effort to damage/zone, then line up the storm arrow on the side of the dragonstrike they need to flee toward in order to avoid it.
Easy ult charge. Stupidly easy.
Widow having infinite walls would not be enjoyable.
Hanzo’s ult is pretty weak outside of multiple ult comboes.
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I don’t really get your, Post?
could you make it more clear to what your were referring to?
Widows walls allows for easy dinks. If she got ult charge during this, she could have ult up basically every 30 seconds. Widow is difficult to counter, especially in this meta, so she’d be OPAF.
Hanzo’s ultimate is only really mediocre unless paired with a setup ultimate. So him getting charge during his ult isn’t really that bad.
Except there are these things called shields
I get you now.
Widow’s wall-hack is an ability highly reliant on your mechanical skill, while Hanzo’s not as much.
His ultimate might be as you called it ‘mediocre’ but it is still powerful.
It charges a lot faster than any other DPS ult, while I completely disagree that widow (well and everyone else) should gain ultimate charge while her ultimate is up.
As you probably know Hanzo get’s his ultimate crazy fast, and limiting the gain from when he fires his ultimate to up to 15.5 seconds after launching it.
numbers of course can be tweaked
But why could he be the only hero that gains ultimate when his ultimate is up and running.
Even Brigitte doesn’t get ult from melee while in an ultimate cast animation.
Why 15.5 seconds anyway it should be max 3 and it still has to leave the map and disappear so for 15 seconds no matter how many headshots you hit no ult charge pretty unfair to hanzo outside of grav dragon
Widows is also teamwide… and can’t be deflected, absorbed, or interrupted by cc or getting killed dead. It also sets up team ults very nicely.
His ultimate is only “powerful” against noobs or in tandem with cc. Outside of that it’s probably one of the worst ults in the game.
It doesn’t charge a lot faster than any other dps ult. Junk can literally get his in 3 seconds. Tracer gets hers so often it’s basically an ability if you’re any sort of decent. Reaper can basically get his every team fight if he does his job, as can pharah.