Why does Genji have so many abilities?

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Honestly, no other character has as many as him… He has:

  • Primary fire
  • Secondary fire
  • Double jump passive
  • Wall climb passive
    • (Half ability for vault, since it can be used after a first wall climb, unlike another full wall climb)
  • Dash reset passive
  • Reflect
  • Dash
  • Dragonblade
    • (another half because dash resets on starting Dragonblade as well…)

(I’m not entirely certain on this, but I think he might also run faster than every other character. I’ve been playing Ana and running out of spawn at the same time as Genji and he seems to ever so slightly get ahead of me. That said, he definitely runs faster when ulting.)

I know every Genji player thinks he’s underpowered, but I honestly feel like he shouldn’t be this stacked with kit… He’s basically good at everything. Long range he can pester, short range he can basically 1v1 squishies uncontested due to his small hitbox and hard-to-track movement, he can dive/escape with dash or escape with reflect, he can counter ults with his deflect, and the cherry on top is that he has the most powerful ult in the game.

To be clear, I don’t think he’s overpowered (except maybe his ultimate…), but I do think he’s overkitted. Personally I feel like they should either put his double jump on a cooldown like Hanzo’s, or remove his dash reset (except while ulting).

Anyway, just my lowly opinion, I’d be interested to see if anyone else has ever thought about just how many abilities he has.

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Because he needs it and has other factors to consider that dial in his power allowing him to work properly with his bag of tricks.

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Kind of agree. People who play Genji love it, so who am I to talk, but there’s a reason he does so well in lower ranks and so poorly in higher ranks. He’s got so much junk in his kit. Double jumping wall climbing auto deflecting ninja with an escape tool. I seriously feel like half my time in this game is staring at his various annoying little animations.

I don’t know. I would like him better if he had a cleaner kit, but also people who don’t play him(me) probably shouldn’t have that much of an opinion on his direction.

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He has 2 and a passive with 3 effects. Echo has 6, plus everything she gets through Duplicate.

Junkrat has 4 abilities, and a passive with 2 effects.

D.Va has 4 abilities and 2 ultimates, plus a passive.

Mercy has 5 abilities, and 2 passives.

Genji is on the lower side.

He runs at 6m/s with Tracer. Everyone else, save for Lucio, Wrecking Ball, and Sombra, runs at 5.5m/s.

From start to finish:

  • No. He is not good at everything.
  • His primary fire is long-range poke for Dragonblade. That is it.
  • His hitbox is not small, and it’s rather easy to 1v1 him.
  • Diving with a Dash is suicide.
  • Escaping with Deflect is suicide.
  • Yes he can. D.Va and Sigma can also eat them.
  • His ultimate is trash. He’s limited to close-quarters combat in a game full of CC and stuns, and the unsheathing/sheathing animation consistently gets people killed.

If they remove his dash reset, they will kill him, as that is his primary disengage. Dash reset removal would be to Genji what sleep dart or nade removal would be to Ana.

I swear, people never called him overkitted or cherrypicked his ability list until people here started doing it last year in June.

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Mercy has

  • Primary fire 1
  • Secondary fire
  • Primary fire 2
  • Slow fall passive
  • Regeneration passive
  • Guardian Angel
    • half an ability from Guardian Angel momentum jumping
    • Another half an ability from guardian Angel super jumping
  • Resurrect
  • Valkyrie
    • 2 halves since it instantly reloads her gun and resets her ga

you’re genji layout gives him 9 abilities compared to Mercy’s total 10 abilities from her kit

but guess what literally neither of these matter in the slightest, because it doesn’t matter how much a character has in their kit when most of it is not only low impact but also contained to a well defined subject

Long range pestering is just feeding the enemy supports ult charge

a flanker character having an advantage in a short range duel the only place where they’re actually viable? the absurdity!

Except not really, deflect is a horrible escape tool unless his team is nearby, and if he doesn’t get the kill he cant dash out, he’s one of the flankers that has to put the most focus on taking out the target cause otherwise they have no real escape, Sombra has Invis to get in quickly and translocator to get out, Tracer has recall and multiple blinks, every part of doomfist moves him but his handcannon and Echo’s flight is on a shorter cooldown but ontop of that she has a stronger kill combo that works from further away and she also has her passive glide that gives her a 50% speed boost to quickly maneuver away

Also the flanker character doing good in a comp that prioritizes flanking! the horror! and also the replacement cause he keeps getting replaced in those metas by snipers or other flankers

for 2 seconds and its a very limited amount of ults, like mainly deadeye and grave, and grav is more of a lucky thing than anything, most other ults he’s gonna deflect last much longer than deflect or don’t ever get near deflect unless he’s right ontop of the character (and the characters that this applies to are usually ones that counter or make his life much harder, like Mei and Torbjorn)

And his ult being one of the best is the only thing barely keeping him afloat despite how much people like to say he has a bloated kit, cause it doesn’t matter how much he has most of it is low impact stuff that only amounts to the equivalent of a single ability at best altogether

Double jump doesn’t need to be on a cooldown but honestly it probably wouldn’t even matter much if they straight up removed it, and dash reset is something that absolutely needs to stay unless you want to give him massive buffs to make up for it because that is his real escape tool otherwise he’ll go in get maybe 1 kill and instantly die because he’s stuck in enemy lines without any escape at all unlike every single other flanker in the game

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That is some mighty strong kool-aid you’re drinking there.

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This looks like something Genji mains would say about Brigitte :slight_smile:

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You didnt have to do the genji mains like that :sob: :tea:

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I was omitting ultimates and firing types, only counting true abilities - my apologies. He has five if we’re factoring those in, which is about the average.

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Can I get some of those drugs you’re high on?

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Just friendly banter from one member to another in the bloated-kit club.

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Cherry Kool-aid. Shaken, not stirred.

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What’s this weeks snacks by the way, was i supposed to bring them? if i was we eating air

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False

Mercy

  • Primary Healing
  • Secondary Damage Boost
  • Tertiary Weapon
  • Guardian Angel
  • Self-healing
  • Glide
  • Valkyrie
  • Valkyrie area effect healing
  • Valkyrie area effect damage boost
  • Valkyrie infinite flight
  • Valkyrie infinite ammo

Huh. Mercy, by your logic, has more abilities than even Genji.

He doesn’t. His normal move speed is tied with Lucio and Tracer at 6 meters per second instead of 5.5. There are others that move faster than him, including Sombra, Soldier, Wrecking Ball, and Lucio.

This is a bad argument and really shows a lack of understanding about character design. Many characters have similarly “stacked” kits or even greater number of abilities as I’ve highlighted above with Mercy.

No, this is an attempt to say he’s overpowered, as many players have argued the same logic without understanding basic, fundamental gameplay design, or even bothering to look at other heroes.

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No need, our newest member Sigma took care of that.

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Lucio doesnt have a base 6 movespeed, he has base 5.5 while healing, 6.875 while speed boosting unamped, and 8.8 while amped speed boosting

Healing

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/374992587280482307/836823689559015455/unknown.png?width=719&height=404

Speed Boosting unamped

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/374992587280482307/836823660005294090/unknown.png?width=719&height=404

Speed boosting amped

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/374992587280482307/836823726665367552/unknown.png?width=719&height=404

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Ooh is he bringing spherical cows to eat?

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I think genji is slightly undertuned at this point in time and the amount of abilities/passives he has in his kit is mostly irrelevant. Especially considering there are many other heroes with many passives/abilities.

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Quantity =/= quality

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I don’t think genji is balanced

Well, i’m not saying he’s OP, far from that, i’m just saying unbalanced. He’s a complete trash in higher ranks, one of the worst dps, but really really good until at least Diamond

When i’m smurfing, i’m used to see genjis hard carrying games in silver ~ platinum. Sure, they are good in THEIR ranks, but even then i think it’s not balanced.

I’d like to see some changes in Genji to make him better in higher ranks, but we can’t just break the low elos