IMO, supports don’t need anything. But I would LOVE to hear the changes people propose because I am trying to NOT go through another overwatch 1 situation again where 90% of the role is a bloated overpowered easy to play hero that dominates most of the game and most of the seasons. That’s what we had to deal with in overwatch 1 and I’m NOT going through that again. I am perfectly okay with how supports are.
Also it’s funny because ya’ll literally have kiriko. The character making the entire meta right now. Hog is meta BECAUSE of kiriko. Lucio is great. Ana is great but just gets hard countered by the meta support. Bap is great just doesn’t have the right tank meta for him. Mercy is mercy. Moira needs a rework. And brig, she can be useless until overwatch 3 that’s okay.
Not sure how constructive this could be when you’re setting things up as they don’t need anything, so what’s the point? If Bliz has metrics showing that supports are unpopular than something should be done.
Support feels really good rn tbh. The top 3 supports seem to be Ana, Kiriko, and mercy diamond and up. With Kiriko functioning as a mercy without dmg boost but her own dmg potential. (That good survivable steady healing)
The fact that there are 2 high skilled support meta for latter coupled with mercy being good at high levels should satisfy everyone.
Even though support is statistically the least popular role by far, has the least amount of variety in heroes to chose from and is generally regarded as less fun, less rewarding and more difficult to play, and is killing the game via queue times, while simultaneously demanding 40% of the playerbase to play it, this guy in particular think supports are perfect as they are right now, and don’t need anything.
Except didn’t they say the direct opposite saying that they were fine or did they say something new? And I just stated my opinion. My opinion can change. But as I’m playing the game it literally just seems like kiriko hard forcing a tank and making other supports useless in the process.
Than who LMAO
Also I simply stated my opinion and asked for others opinios but instead of providing it you’re complaining and moaning about mine.
The variety is a big part of the problem. Lucio and Kiriko have very specific play styles. The damage part of Kiriko’s kit is slow and requires extreme precision. Obviously you aren’t expected to land all of your daggers, but you need at least some aim.
Nah kiriko still hard counters ana. Hog is uncounterable without anti and stuns. but less stuns and anti being useless with suzu in the game. Kiriko is forcing hog meta all on her own lmao.
Kiriko gets to dmg the entire game. U can throw a kuni for free in between heals and they upped the ammo to 15 to buff this play style.
Think of her as a mercy with a 120hp debuff potential.
When ur Ana or zen is dove you should be on a wall near her cycling heals to her and throwing dinks on heads to get the dove off her.
Lucio is good but you gotta be a frag god on him to make it work…. He’s barely a support. However if your a frag god on Lucio you can force the enemy supports into a tough position since there are 2 tracers in their back line
He’s also a peel god since he does have the dmg sustain and speed to bail things out
Except nothing you provided states that. Literally ALL you said is that support role isn’t fun so people don’t play it. Buffs aren’t going to change that if the fundamental parts of the heroes kits aren’t fun. Again, I’m not about to go through another overwatch 1 moment all over again just for the sake of support heroes being fun. That’s the ROLE of supports in literally any game. You play to support the team and if the teammates are bad. That’s just how it goes.
If you go making supports able to do things on their own WHILE buffing and supporting their own teammates, you get tangled garbage like bap, brig, and ana who ran ow1 for literal years.
Like do they need reworks? I know moira does at least.
The bottomline is that the fewer Support players they have, the worse matchmaking/queue times get. Especially after they add a new Tank hero.
And the devs can afford to have 2-5% of the playerbase quit over Support buffs, if that avoids losing 20-50% of the playerbase to Matchmaking/Queue/Support issues.
So literally I think you answered your own question. As you said we have Kiriko and then stated how every other support other than Lucio is useless or hard countered right now lol.
So other than a larger variety of viable supports, personally I would like to see Ana get half cooldown for sleep in return for half the sleep time. I would also take switch it out with a widowmaker grapple.
I am having fun as support just like season 1 but this time it’s even harder. If you are getting doomfisted the entire game you either have to play kiriko/moira/lucio or be useless.
Even if you have good positioning as Ana I am spending more time fighting flankers than supporting which leads to me getting flamed which is a problem. Literally 80% of the games since season 2 started is me 1v1ing Tracers the whole game. I don’t lose most of the time, but my team dies and their goal is met either way.
You’re never going to get a version of OW or any other game where supports are as popular as DPS.
The question has always been and will always be how unpopular it’s okay for supports to be as you balance queue times with quality of gameplay. And that’s just plain going to be subjective.
Literally ALL you said is that support role isn’t fun so people don’t play it.
And you really don’t think that’s a cause for concern and that supports don’t need something?
The fact that the game forces 40% of the players in a match into a role that is generally unpopular is not a game design issue to you?
That’s the ROLE of supports in literally any game.
This isn’t literally any game, this is Overwatch 2. Whatever other games do with the support class is their concern. I don’t care what the support role in TF2 is.
If you go making supports able to do things on their own WHILE buffing and supporting their own teammates, you get tangled garbage like bap, brig, and ana who ran ow1 for literal years.
This is precisely what OW2 needs. Supports with autonomy, playmaking potential. The ability to defend themselves, make kills, get POTG while providing value to the team.
Supporting doesn’t need to be healing, it could be a number of things, but it needs to be FUN and at the moment, for the most part, it isn’t.
Well if all we’re advocating for is simply more supports in the role then yea sure. They are getting that anyway in the upcoming seasons.
So then nerf kiriko and the other ones are usable? Why buff and powercreep the role even more? Because they weren’t bad before kiriko, kiriko comes to comp, and now all of sudden they are weaker??? No it’s just cause kiriko is dumb overall and makes them useless. This isn’t a supports weak thing, it’s a kiriko too strong thing.
Doom is no different from season 1. The only changes you even feel are the shield buffs. Ana still hard counters doomfist. Always has, always will.
That isn’t though. Because then supports become busted JUST like they were in overwatch 1. The role constantly gets heroes that simply DO TOO MUCH. And then shocker, they end up broken as all hell and run the game. It’s been that way for years, and it’s LITERALLY WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW WITH KIRIKO.