Why do so many players want mmr reset?

[Krow-1913]

@ƑaylenSøl-1922

n MMR/SR reset would allow those who genuinely improved to re-do their placements and get placed where they belong currently without putting in the hundreds of hours of climbing to get there.

I can see the appeal.

Good you see you still around, Faylen. If I may, what’s your opinion on Mercer’s words saying that the reset would actually cause a huge problem that persists for a long time because of the inconsistency of how people play?

@ghd-1148

We’re talking about the placements themselves not mattering.

I’ve already agreed to this? I am merely pointing out why placements are there in the first place.

@ghd-1148

Nope. You, read: Y-O-U , can literally THROW your placements and still not lose much SR from where you were last season. I could even place a cat on my keyboard and let 'em play my placement for me and it still isn’t going to do much. Likewise, I could give my account over to Pine, Carpe, xQc, etc., have them play their heart out, and my SR wouldn’t go up very much. So in what universe is the placements system still determining my true skill, that being the case? Like I was saying, it’s not really any different than what would happen if you just went straight from your last season’s SR and did 10 regular comp games.

@Krow-1913

But the placements can give you a rough idea whether or not you will climb, drop, or maintain your SR in your next handful of games (barring leavers and throwers, of course. Those are impossible to account for)

Again… already answered that question?

@ghd-1148

Wow, what a wild and bizarre misinterpretation of what I said. How embarrassing for you.

@ghd-1148

You’re pretty much locked into your SR until you grind out and there’s no “reset” of any variety to boost the process.

You literally said that RIGHT HERE. How can I interperate THAT statement any differently?

@KGB313-1223

I believe old players would be more likely to come back at the start of new seasons, because they would see it as a fresh start.

Correct.

@KGB313-1223

I believe consistent high SR play would be more impressive and more respected.

Correct, I guess? Don’t really see the big deal with that one. Even if I was GM I wouldn’t care if my play was respected or whatever.

@KGB313-1223

I believe smurfing and boosting would be much less common, as the player would have to repeat the process every few months.

Maybe. Hard to say. I’d like to believe this one but I don’t have enough evidence to say for certain.

@KGB313-1223

I believe players would emerge from placements feeling that their SR was based on the 10 placement games, not stuff they did 2 years ago.

No. They would emerge from placements blaming their teammates for throwing and leaving and causing them to place lower than they deserved… kind of like we have right now.

@KGB313-1223

I believe players would see their SR as being more fair, and climbing more likely. This would encourage more competitive play at all tiers.

SR is already accurate to ± 250 in most cases or ± 500 in extreme cases.

@KGB313-1223

I believe this would reduce toxicity. Because if you screw up your rank, it only lasts a few months instead of for life.

Nah. It would just change the toxicity. “OMG GENJI IS THROWING AND GOING TO CAUSE ME A CRAP RANK FOR THIS SEASON I DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS”

@KGB313-1223

I believe you’d see less trolling, because players wouldn’t feel hardstuck as often or like they are in ELO hell. When players are bored or frustrated is when they tend to look for alternate means of amusing themselves.

I could give you this you.

@KGB313-1223

If you are placing, it would still try to place you with folks that have a comparable winrate and games played in that season. So if you’re waiting to place until the final week, you’ll place with others doing placements or that have played few games in the season. It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp. I suspect you didn’t actually read what I wrote.

Were you around for Season 2? That was when they barely adjusted the bell curve of comp ranks. It was an absolute disaster. The quality of games were all over the place. The matches had huge differences in skill between the players. It didn’t go away in a short time, either. It took a while to stabilize. IIRC we were still feeling the after effects up to S4. It wasn’t as bad there, but the ripples could still be felt. But I know pretty much the entirety of that season was a crapshow.

@KGB313-1223

You’re against all of these suggestions. Perhaps you don’t feel you could get back to Plat. Whatever the case is, I don’t much care.

You’re literally arguing against trying to improve a flawed system. You’re not even offering alternative suggestions, just arguing to maintain the status quo that even you admit can be improved.

Actually, I’m arguing against what I see as a detriment to an already flawed system. And I’m not making suggestions because I honestly don’t know how I would fix the current system. I’m not smart enough to go “Ah, this is what we need!” But I am smart enough to listen to the devs and take evidence and apply it to your suggestion and realize “Yeah, I don’t think this’ll work as well as you think it will.”

You’re basically asking for every season to be a repeat of season 2. It would be an absolute disaster. And once again I am forced to refer to this video. Listen very carefully at the point when Mercer is talking about Season 2 changes. It’s only a few seconds after the timestamp.

Full Overwatch Dev Talk w/ Scott Mercer

Edit: Here it is. Forgot where it was mentioned. We already had a ‘soft’ reset anyway where you were bumped down and had to climb back up.

@Kaawumba-1133

Prior to season 6 (September 2017), players’ SR would be bumped down below their MMR at the beginning of the season, and they would earn it back with an SR buff over the course of 50 matches. This felt bad and was removed (15).