There are reason Bliz changes things… Like OW1 cheese pirate ship …
It like people cant actually try to win in a fair fight.
Because a cheese lets you win easily. In a competitive game. What do you mean why do players have to cheese.
BUT … then they complain about heroes like Sombra… It makes no sense.
Well, Im just saying why people do it; to win. I’m not saying it’s acceptable to keep it in the game necessarily.
If the cheese is too unfun to play against (like pirate ship or sombra could be) then it’s completely fair for devs to intervene to try to remove it from the game. But if it’s like pharah on nepal village to just smash the enemy team on the high ground choke that’s not as unfun to deal with, neither is using sym tp to get to point on lijang though both give you a big advantage to win
I guess the question is, when does advantage turn into cheese?
Ow devs have not learned the lessons sucessful AAA games like league of legends have. Beginner hero’s cannot be viable for the top %1 without ruining the game for everyone else……
To make things worse…. If beginner hero’s are viable for the top players…… the rest of the ladder will see this and easily copy the Strat. I.e current Brig
What is wrong with current Brig? She has been the same for a few seasons now. What changed did I miss?
I think that’s too hard to answer. Most advantages that are tied to hero picks are pretty much cheese. As long as you’re playing dirty it qualifies I think
Cheese isn’t inherently bad, it’s only bad when it’s too common or unfun to deal with. Nobody complains if someone picks widow on kings row to try to get a pick out of spawn and make the first fight a 4v5. People do complain seeing widow on every map and in every match however.
Have they not? They keep mercy and Moira kinda meh to bad because of this. Same with junk, torb, sym etc.
Completely untrue. And the reason I know that is because people don’t play brig below like mid high diamond or masters+
She has a barely higher pick rate than illari in GOLD, and her winrate is below 50%. Her pick rate is like this for every rank below diamond according to overbuff and anecdotally when I play DPS in low diamond people never pick brig
Trust me, I don’t get it, she’s free sr, but people suck on brig and don’t want to play her. How do they suck on brig? All I can assume is they frontline with her, feed, and die. A lot. They don’t understand the push and pull of the hero.
It sounds like you’re fairly unaware of Blizzard games in general.
Does the term “zerg rush” mean anything to you? Cause that was a cheesy strategy back in the day. Same with “Pylon Photon Cannon Rushes” or “Tower rushes” from WarCraft 3.
LoL is a MOBA that has several beginner-friendly heroes with the top 1% of the competitive scene; particularly in South Korea. They’re not ruining the game. In fact, most of Lol’s top champions have been beginner friendly, long-time heroes that have been in the game for a solid a decade at this point.
Mercy is seen quite often in competitive. Same with Junkrat and Torbjorn. Symmetra’s… more of gimmick pick, and only Moira isn’t really seen in the competitive regularly.
She’s just not intuitive and the poor balancing history with her has exemplified this problem. She used to go up against some Tanks and win those brawls, she can’t do that anymore, and players haven’t really adapted to that. They still see trailers like these…
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They nerfed all the other “survivable” supports
Buffed armor
And
Buffed her aoe heal
Currently she’s a must pick in pro play and everywhere.
Maybe if kiri could still 2 tap or lucio had 250 hp things might be different…. But reverse power creep is a real thing
Classic move a bunch of hero’s to 225 hp and don’t actually look for problematic outliers that result
If you are winning in gold you go to platinum and then your win rate is applied there…. Like for example you can’t have %100 win rate and stay in a rank…….
Maybe anyone that actually “feels” like adding brig to their hero rotation instantly hit masters
The way it seems most people look at is;
It’s an advantage when you do it
It’s cheese when it’s used against you
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What if everyone was just a clone all shoot generic bullets that all do the same damage
Basically all the heroes will look the game and all function the same, no difference and the maps are all flat fields.
Is that even?
The way I look at it is the enemy and I have the same options. It’s not like I’m using an option they cannot counter exactly.
I’ll never give credence to the “use a real gun” crowd.
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Because cheese goes best with whine
And you totally shouldn’t. You have the same options as me, it’s not my fault your making things more difficult for yourself
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No? They buffed her repair packs by giving it burst heal and a .5 second cd reduction compared to ow1. Inspire has never gotten buffed in ow2. I guess indirectly by letting shield bash trigger it but that’s stretching it
I mean, she is currently meta, but she’s not so obscenely broken that bronze players are getting boosted straight past gold and plat and into diamond/masters. Her having such a low pick rate in gold just means she doesn’t see play in low ranks.
Oh well, I’m not sure why I keep arguing with you about brig when it seems like a pointless endeavor
Exactly. That’s the problem. Sombra is cheesy.
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Its a PVP game. People will naturally do the easiest things to win.
I heard that moon made from cheese