Why do people shout at supports while we are winning?

It’s quite funny really. We are playing push and have pushed way further than the other team and players on your own team start trashing you with the usual

“zero heals”
“stop dpsing ana”
“healers trash”
“ana please leave”

and so on. But we are winning with whatever strat the supports are playing be it going for kills, flanking moira, ana focusing pharah because the dps can’t hit a barn door, etc.

Why do people never look at the bigger picture of whether they are winning rather than the tiny picture that says “I died and didn’t get any healing between the 2 headshots from kiriko so must be support issue”?

No wonder nobody wants to play support. They get most of the toxic accusations of being bad thrown at them even when they are a key part to winning but are not doing it all through constant healing.

It’s a bit sad and disheartening for the role.

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Simply because people are looking for someone to blame for their own shortcomings, so they instantly attack someone else, which normally happens to be support.

“It’s their fault I messed up!” runs through their head before they decide to start trash talking the healer, as if their own actions had no consequences.

Also, tiny pp. :duck:

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Ye olde “its everyone else’s fault im bad or doing poorly”

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Even if we outheal the enemy-team-supports, people complain about getting no heals.

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It’s funny. I play supports 70%-80% of the time and don’t get any of the crap forum supports get.

I’m thinking the real issue is forum supports being that bad, or highly toxic which attracts toxicity from dps/tanks.

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I get more toxic players in quick play than I do comp now, so I switched to comp as my main source of play and it’s odd how it’s like night and day.

The scoreboard is unfortunately not a very good barometer for overall performance.

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Funny thing is, the scoreboard has helped me here. Had one player start the dps Moira accusations, and said never mind. When pressed, he admitted he looked at the scoreboard and saw I had the most healing in the game by a few thousand. :smile:

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True dat in general, but

what he said. If you say i´m not healing but i healed xxK you are just on some nonesense accusations

Sure plenty of times it’s the fault of the person asking for heals. Not always.

Sometimes a DPS can be totally ignored even though they’ve had the big ‘heal me’ sign on them that all healers can see, for a long time, even during times of low pressure.

Fine the team’s winning, your dps or even occasionally tank has been left out in the cold and is having a miserable time running back from spawn far too often.

I’ve played support very often, in other roles I can tell when I’m being ignored for healing way too much (whether deliberately or just through incompetence is harder to tell).

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I pretty much never say anything for anyone to find me toxic and I play support in the capacity I think is needed. Sometimes I am the highest heals of all the supports and sometimes not if I felt doing damage would work better for a particular team (like when they are having trouble with pharah on dps then I will go bap or ana and try to help with that).

I wouldn’t say the toxicity is frequent, but “support diff” or “heals diff” is quite common. The person that types it usually does so when the game ends and leaves instantly so people saying “look at the scoreboard” and such don’t have time to contradict them.

We lost a game last week where I had 4k heals more than the next support and someone still said “no heals” and insta-left.

This happens sometimes where I ignore someone if they are not in a good place to heal. For example, some widows stand back from the edge of their high-ground calling for heals but the supports can’t see them without some major repositioning.

Or on King’s Row where they go far side of statue on first point and ask for healing but don’t peek out to be LoS, or various other places the person needing healed could move a little to get LoS but instead stays out of LoS and expects the support to do something stupid to get to them. That happens pretty frequently at gold and below, calling for heals from a place neither support can get to you without too much risk.

you have comms on?
rookie mistake

Unless someone is throwing hard - like the boost to point, stand still, doing nothing suicide Dva we had 1 game, then no-one should be dissing their own team in general chat.

Keep it within the team, keep it polite or at least without insults and if you are on the receiving end don’t just write it off as ‘toxic’ if it meets these terms.

(I was hoping my 1st sentence covered the cases where a teammate puts themselves in bad positions to heal, but you are right there)

It doesn’t help that “I need healing” is often drowned out by all the other noise going on - much worse than in OW1. Some people stand behind the support probably spamming it and it’s only when I notice it in the chat window do I realise someone needs it and look behind - I can see they have called many times but didn’t hear any of them while being able to hear a different hero perfectly during that same time.

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It depends really what that means. I can be on Lucio and healbotting, surpassing the healer beside me. What’s untold is that my healing, while helpful, did not save the lives of my teammates when the enemy Soldier 76 used his ultimate.

What occurs to me as well is if, for example, I am using Mercy. My damage boosting numbers aren’t displayed on the scoreboard. Players often misinterpret seemingly low healing numbers for effectiveness and overall performance. This is a common fallacy, unfortunately.

Note that I am not accusing you of being one of these people, but, it’s an important observation.

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Yeah you are right. Mercy and Lucio don´t get credit on the scoreboard for being useful.

…in comp? Optimal play is still desired and people can drift from that, especially when winning… :wink:

…in qp? People need to relaaaaaax… :slight_smile:

Because supports can fix those mistakes.
But more often than not, instead of trying to support their team, supports try to do damage, and they let their teammates die.

As a support player myself, I’m often annoyed when I see the healing/damage ratio on the scoreboard. It’s very obvious most support players already left the game and those people are just dps players playing support to get short queues.

If you’ve ever played DPS, you know that are many times when if you would have got just a little bit of support, you’d have won the duel. That’s probably where the frustration is coming from - of course the player doesn’t realize that if they’d had just been a better DPS, they would have won the duel anyways.

Because they can’t. Overall damage increased, but support power stayed same or even decreased.