Why do people equate not behind shield = bad positioning?

I see lots of people say that, basically “you’re not behind a shield = you’re out of position” and I want to know what they’re even talking about. Not every team has a tank hero, and there are way too many people to all be behind a small shield. For example, when people complain about Hanzo, people respond with “you’re only getting lucky one hit killed because you’re out of position.” How does that make sense, exactly? Hanzo is a sniper who is meant to snipe people across long distances. There is almost no such thing as “out of position” against a Hanzo, because he is terrific in short, medium and long ranges. Anyways, I don’t really understand Attack on Titan; spoilers, btw. How does the story flow in the way it does when Eren is the one that sets everything in motion? Eren being the way he is in season 4 would have to be what came first, but for him to have become like he is in season 4, he would need to be pushed by future Eren to become future Eren. Does that make any sense? He couldn’t have altered Grisha’s memories unless he had already gone through the entire story. But that’s not possible without future Eren.

post intent failed, not enough people talking about AoT

time travel in media doesn’t make much sense. its best not to think much about it

It’s something that’s easy for people to pick out and blame, I think that’s all there is to it. Typically Hanzo works that way, like you said.

He can still be in a bad position, which I guess people could equate to out of position, but that position doesn’t have to be behind a shield…

Just people with bad takes that are easy to whip up to blame someone for something.

Because a lot of people don’t know what positioning is.

I disagree with not being behind shield = out of position. While I am not perfect, positioning is something I’ve worked very hard on to get better with and I think I have pretty good positioning. I rarely stay behind a shield. Shields are too unpredictable because it is mostly controlled by another player and they break eventually. Bad positioning is when you are in a position that makes you an easy kill, prevents you from getting value, and not having an exit out if you get pushed. Bad positioning I would also consider if you are in a position where you are not aware of where the enemy team is or your team is. Another thing I would point out is a position can be good if you also are paying attention to certain CDs (ex: crossing a path in hook range, if he used hook you know you can walk by). Good and bad positioning is not black and white.

Also just because Hanzo is a sniper, doesn’t mean you are a free shot. Good positioning does not equal needing to be behind a shield 24/7 but your rant about Hanzo is all excuses. There are many ways to not die as Hanzo. He is not some overpowered unkillable and unavoidable boss.

Just because Hanzo can 1 shot doesn’t mean he’s a sniper. He’s actually rather bad at long range. If you hit anything it’s due to luck rather than skill he has projectiles that require the enemy to walk into them. The optimal range to play him is mid. Far enough to stay away from danger, but close enough to cut the time it takes for the projectile to actually hit the target so it’s no longer luck based.

Because if you are not behind a shield, you should be behind a corner, or somewhere with escape paths. If you are constantly getting hooked, you are out of position, if you are constantly getting ran over by the enemy, you are out of position. Getting clipped by random spam is not being out of position, but if it is constantly happening, your awareness needs working on.

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… interesting approach.

I mean yeah most of the forum doesn’t read beyond the first sentence before responding. sure.

Personally I think AoT got super preachy and wordy and once the mystery of what the titans were was revealed (which was super anti-climactic) the series just became boring.

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Are there adults that actually watch these nonsense anime crap?

Because they don’t know what actual good positioning is, they just know that it’s something that the pros say, and they want to sound more knowledgeable than they actually are, so they use it in a way that seems appropriate to them with their extremely limited gamesense.

people equate any cheese ability to bad positioning, you can literally havve good position and someone clicks 1 button , then calls it bad position.

Idk man, people say I’m out of position ALL the time, but if I’m hiding behind a corner (OMG USE COVER N00B! >_>), I’m 100% useless. I mean, as far as I know, no one can shoot through walls. No idea what people are talking about.

Out of position is anywhere within Roadhog hook range. Roadhog moves the “out of position” position with him as he walks.

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The same thing applies to literally every other hero…?

I believe what they mean when they say “not behind a shield” is when someone runs in through the shield and is now in front of it then dies.
Basically, if you aren’t peeking a corner and you aren’t behind a shield then you are standing in the open which IS out of position.

They don’t. It’s more about the dying because you’re in the open or not being able to deal damage when you have to constantly cover or take weird long routes to get anything done vs. just DPSing and doing what you can because there’s a shield there. That makes it bad positioning

Right? Natural cover doesn’t have hp

Ah yes, another to the mute channel

If you are around a corner the entire game you can’t push or do damage, dude

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I do not believe the meaning to his comment was to hide behind the wall the entire game.

Using natural cover on angle is very elementary.