It’s called Sony not Blizzard.
all online games need plus to play online. only free to play games don’t need it.
There are some exceptions like Mankind Divided can go online without ps plus.
Oh for sure, I played on PS4 before moving entirely to PC.
I know the seething anger that surfaces everytime i see that £6.99 for Sony come out of my account balance just to be able to play overwatch twice a week.
That’s not what your subscription would be paying for.
Do you feel the same way about Netflix?
Or World of Warcraft?
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So, you pay a subscription fee for a service that provides a number of features, one of which happens to be access to Nintendo’s (very poorly supported) online services.
And that’s totally fine.
But PSPlus and Xbox Live, which both provide a bundle of services in addition to online gaming, are somehow ridiculous?
Whether you agree with the prices is kinda irrelevant here, but you’re not being particularly consistent.
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You pay your ISP for the connection from your house to the internet at large. You do not pay them to run the servers at the other end of the connection. The company that owns those servers still need a way to fund it.
A lot of websites use ads to get the money, Blizzard (and I’d assume the other “free” companies) uses revenue it gets from game sales, other game companies sell subscriptions.
It’s like complaining about paying for a parking space because your taxes payed for the road to get there. It’s 2 separate expenses.
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No, I don’t.
if you had read my post, you’d know that I get it for free.
It’s more like having to pay 10k a semester for higher education, and then on top of that, having to pay $600 a semester to park in a garage. Whether or not you find that worth it is subjective, and I don’t see how it’s wrong to find something dumb like that.
I really never knew people would argue about it tbh, some people thinking paying for emotes on twitch is stupid too, but other do it anyway, it’s just what you find value out of.
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So you get Amazon Prime (which you indicated provides you with access to Nintendo’s online services) for free?
If you do that’s cool, but irrelevant to most people.
I get Xbox Live Gold and Xbox Game Pass for free but that doesn’t really change the value proposition at standard prices.
Most people have to pay a subscription fee for Amazon Prime and it’s many included features.
If you’re paying for Amazon Prime, and as a byproduct, you are granted access to Nintendo’s for-pay online services, then you’re defacto paying for online gaming on Nintendo’s platform.
That’s how bundled services work.
When you pay for cable tv do you pretend the not-important-to-you channels are free since you’re only paying for that one channel you care about?
The real point here, is both PSPlus and Xbox Live Gold provide significantly more than just connectivity to online gaming. And both of which are cheaper than a WoW sub.
So the whole conversation is about 15 years out of date.
It could be worse, you could be on Xbox where you need a Xbox Live Gold account even to play the free to play games.
the sony & xbox multiplayer fees are certainly overpriced for the provided service
that doesn’t mean the business model itself is inherently an anti-consumer/outrageous practice
The issue is: Package deals as the sole deal are just scummy. They include a lot into them, but its also not optional for xbox. PS to my knowledge always had free online play (unless that changed? Looks like it did RIP)
The main draw to the xbox sub was earlier access to DLC, and the main draw to Playstation being: You didn’t have to pay to play online, yet this meant longer waits for DLC.
Features are nice and all, but if I or anyone else didn’t ask for them, and didn’t want them, then connectivity to game servers should be it for us. Exclude people like me from all that content we didn’t want. Simple as that.
Although keep in mind im playing devil’s advocate on this one. I haven’t used a console for online gaming in over 8 years, and back then the logic for xbox having a sub made sense. Now its all just BS, and cramming free PC contents, into a console and calling it paid for features.
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I’ve had Amazon prime for a decade now, anything I get out of it other than what I initially bought it for is free for me.
Tbh Idk why you quoted me saying I’m “inconsistent” for thinking it’s dumb paying for online play in this case. If we’re talking general stuff, then why even go through the trouble in quoting me? Especially since you didn’t even read my initial post thoroughly to begin with.
Like I said, it’s based on what you, subjectively, find valuable. I don’t find buying consoles and paying for their services valuable, but I do other things, like my Prime account, which gives me a myriad of benefits for only $7 a month.
PS I don’t pay for cable either, I acquire my entertainment in other ways.
On the topic of MMOs, FFXIV doesn’t require PS+ and it’s a subscription based game.
Wasn’t online gaming on PS3 completely free? I don’t remember having to buy some dumb PS+ membership to play games on that console.
Love PC 
Yeah, that’s sucky. Double sucky that they’re not even consistent about it.
I honestly hate that everything wants a monthly subscription for something now. I try to avoid monthly subscriptions other than my internet bill. They all add up!
Sigh, lots of misinformation in this thread.
You get 4 free games per month with the Xbox Live Gold sub, along with a LOT of other features. suggesting it’s overpriced indicates you don’t seem to know what it includes. PSPlus is similar.
Sony started requiring a PSPlus subscription for Online services YEARS ago. This is not new news.
This isn’t close to being accurate.
It has never been a feature of Xbox Live Gold subscriptions to get early access to DLC.
Again, not accurate (other than perhaps how long it’s been since you used a console). Xbox Live Gold has more features now than it did 8 years ago and is a better value proposition.
Whether YOU decided that paying a subscription for Amazon Prime’s value hinged upon all of the included features is irrelevant. Things that aren’t specifically of interest to you are’t “free”, they are part of your PAID subscription.
This is the second time you’ve accused me of reading comprehension issues when you’re clearly having issues following the thread and are decidedly misinformed.
In the first instance I suggested you pay a subscription fee for a bundled service (amazon prime) which includes access to Nintendo’s online services, therefore you PAY for online services for Nintendo.
You then claimed that you pay for no such subscription, to which I pointed out MOST people have to pay for Amazon Prime so your individual circumstances might not be relevant.
Then, you confirmed you indeed pay for a subscription to Amazon Prime, which makes my above point accurate, sooooo no comprehension issues on my end there…
The point about YOU being rather inconsistent is that you think it’s fine to pay for online service on Nintendo’s platform, because it’s bundled with other features YOU care about, but somehow it’s NOT ok to pay for online services on Xbox or Playstation because those services are bundled with things YOU don’t care for.
If I suggested that the cost of an Xbox Live Gold subscription was for 4 games per month, and that access to online multiplayer for all games you own was “free”, I’m pretty sure you’d object.
The fact that you end your post implying you pirate for-pay content doesn’t particularly strengthen your position as an authority on legitimate subscription services and their value. I suppose “other ways” might simply refer exclusively to Amazon Prime Video (which, no doubt, you believe is “free” on top of your Nintendo Online subscription), so I apologize if you don’t pirate content.
Finally, the cable tv comparison is about the fact that channel bundles are the norm in that industry, most people have experience with cable tv packages. Under those circumstances, pretending the channels you don’t care for are somehow “free” is a very strange way to look at bundled services.
Looking up, I’ve clearly put too much time into this, but suggesting Xbox Live Gold or PSPlus are overpriced, on a site run by the people that charge $12-15/month for access to ONE game which you still need to pay for up front, seems kinda weird.
But hey, you get free games every month, right? shrugs
…which is why I said it was subjective. I don’t find it of value. I think it’s dumb, personally which is what I’ve been saying this entire time. I don’t know what your problem is, but you’re being rude for no reason my guy.
Oh no how will I ever cope with being “misinformed” about whether or not I personally find something stupid to spend money on 
Me paying for a prime on Amazon for 10+ years and then in the last 3mo getting a nintendo online sub on top of it with no extra payment required is free in my own eyes whether or not you disagree. It’s something I’ve always paid for, the price rarely changed over the years, and I haven’t paid anything extra for the nintendo account. Does this not make sense to you?
Allow me to redirect you to my earlier comment:
I never said this either, I just said I find it of no value to me, and quite frankly I’m tired of this conversation.
I’m getting the vibe that you are taking what I’m saying way too personally, like you’re bent over what I’ve said, it makes no sense though so 
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Kinda missed the point entirely there, but no worries. The subs are unjustifiable if you don’t want the additional content/features, and not having a bare bones option that permits online play without them, is the equivalent of going to a car dealership, and being told the salesman is going to tell you what you need/want and you have to buy it regardless of what you want/need.
These kind of practices are why consoles need to die out. The poor saps weren’t looking to play online at a cost similar to playing WoW, a game with a sub that’s actually justifiable. When the sub has no relation to the actual game you’re seeking to play, its essentially robbery.
Its just ridiculous. Also! One last thing, the sub v/s no sub between PS and xbox, I mispoke. Xbox didn’t get early access to DLC, but PS did have to wait longer to get it, and yes, that was a confirmed perk of one over the other.
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