Zarya didn’t need help and Roadhog felt fine so long as you kept his threat levels balanced.
So Hog is his back to unkillable self amd Zarya is dealing SIGNIFICANTLY much more dps.
Then Zen hasn’t been addressed at all. The main issue was the stacking of debuffs that made playing tank or anyone for that matter much more difficult to deal with as an enemy.
Lucio did not need to be touched. Giving him more CC felt amazing and it wasn’t incredibly oppressive like all the other changes to other heros.
Overall this patch was half good and half horrible.
Just for Christ’s sake quit preserving the problematic abilities. Its alright to nerf discord, you already increased Zen’s individual damage. Its fine to let Zarya be a high skilled tank, players should not be rewarded for poor ability management. It is alright if Hog struggles a little, let players adjust first before giving them such an easy method to tanking.
Mauga, Reaper, Mei hasn’t been touched, Soljorn hasn’t been changed.
Widow was easier to pick up. Now is just harder to learn.
There was a lot questions with this hotfix and a lot of instant relief too.
Thoughts?
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because the team balance is terrible.
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Zar definitely didn’t need help. Although, Hog is probably the biggest troll pick of the season right now. I haven’t seen a SINGLE Hog win the game since S9 started, in my experience.
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Because the dev team is terrified of letting DvA see more than 10 seconds of play a game
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Roadhog was garbage in the season 9 patch. He’s mildly better after the hotfix, but still nowhere near good.
The Zarya changes confused me as well. Thought she was OK in S9. Guess they had data that showed otherwise.
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They are fattening the hog for the yearly ritual gutting.
Remember last time they overbuffed him instead of addressing his issues then gutted and left him on the side walk.
Same story part 2
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- Zarya needed slightly more ammo, not more damage. Too many out-of-position players escaping because she runs out of ammo before burning through that extra 50HP.
- Hog needed something to help with stacked discord+dps passive+larger bullets when he is NOT using his breather. It is when he doesn’t have DR that he gets melted which makes it hard for him to peek anywhere to look for a hook without insta-dying. Changing TaB will make no difference to his current state.
- Zen’s problem is discord stacking with dps passive, so changing his health and melee boop will do little. Sure he will die more often, but that discord is still going to be on the tank as much as possible when he is alive
- Widow did not need a buff on top of the bullet nerf. Her bullets are still larger than they were in S8 and that is enough of a buff for the hero that can still 1-shot, now from 50m, on most of the roster
Another swing and complete miss by the devs. They seem to be able to work out which heroes have problems, but not which parts of the hero are the problem.
They haven’t overbuffed him (yet). The change to TaB will make little difference. Most of the time you are using it you are already in cover. And if you have discord and dps passive on you that extra 10% just means you die 1s later.
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dva is another gameplay problem… too strong against comps with no zarya and really bad against zarya.
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Can tell OP is a braindead F(L)ats parrot. Hog did not get a gigabuff, which is the exact incorrect verbiage F(L)ats used.
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welll on my matchs, when i try to play any movement tank, they insta pick hog + sombra + ana and goodbye to my fun.
You mean Flats who has been crying non-stop about Rein since OW2 came out and was a bubbling mess over Rein in S9? That Flats?
His explanations for how he was placing heroes in his tier list made little sense. I preferred Jay3 who based it off his experience so far and admitted when he wasn’t sure on some heroes he hadn’t played much or against in S9. Whereas Flats thinks he’s an expert in all heroes, even the ones he never plays and rarely plays against.
I liked Jay3’s comment (I generally don’t like Jay3 btw) where he said his tier-list would conflict with Flats because he doesn’t spend 6 hours of his stream in the practice range talking like Flats does but rather spends his time actually playing the game 
Which movement tanks? Hog is only good against Monkey. He is useless against Ball now as ball just runs away after taking 1 shot from hog. Hog is mid against doom if the doom is any good at movement and timing his blocks. What am I missing?
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Because people whined about dva
Award for understatement of the S9 patch so far.
She’s not even that bad against Zarya on most maps. Only if the Zarya decides to constantly go head-to-head with her and not time her engagements around bubbles and get out when Zarya is beaming her. Plenty of streamers making DVa work against Zarya.
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I agree, Jay3 has better takes than F(L)ats, I just can’t watch him because his voice is so damn high pitched and annoying.
It’s clear that everything from F(L)ats perspective is from that of a very biased Rein main, and while he’s correct on stuff like Orisa generlaly being unfun/boring to play as and play against regardless of what tank you are, he can’t put things into honest perspective. Hog is good against Rein and Winton and that’s about it, and this patch didn’t really change any of his matchups so it’s barely relevant and certainly not a “gigabuff”.
Hog still has it bad cause you can counter the enemy tank, then get deleted yourself by discord/76/bastion, and then you’re just leaving the game up to DPS/supps on each team going head to head. Chances are Monkey is back in the fight long before you as well.
I guess you think saying F(L)ats is funny since you keep doing it. Pretty childish and immature to most people though. Generally with these things you say it once and that’s the joke. Keeping it up is not funny any more. Just FYI.
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I’d have taken a bigger magazine size, but Zarya is one of those characters that lost out on the S9 changes in terms of damage because she can’t headshot, and the difference between pre- and post-patch beam width isn’t especially noticable. I am not surprised that she got her damage adjusted upwards in the same manner that Rein, Moira and Winston did.
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if this is a gigabuff im top500
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Thie changes were not for masters and below players. These changes were to help high elo where they both were struggling.
I agree, but she struggles to have a balance between low and high ranks. Low ranked Zarya has almost never been bad in the last 8 years. High elo Zarya has struggled for a solid amount of time, particularity in the latter half of Overwatch 1 and season 2- around 6/7, whenever she got that bubble buff.
I think that the beam size on Zarya should be reverted and made smaller than pre-patch and more power should be shifted from beam to secondary fire and reward for sucessful bubbles and HARSH punishment for wasted bubbles
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How funny that everyone is complaining about Zen orbs as usual when Hog’s broken 50% damage reduction is the reason why we need them to do any kind of damage to him in the first place. The same deal with Ana nade. So long as Hog has 40 or 50 or any kind of damage reduction and healing those two abilities must remain how they are.
Put two and two together for once in your lives.
Also Blizzard needs to stop pandering to their failure esports players and the spoiled babymode Hog and Zarya players in general. They have ruined Overwatch 1 continue to ruin 2.
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