Rio de Janeiro doesn’t even function like Tower Defence… maybe there will be a mission or to like it somewhere in the campaign but…
I don’t know where people are grasping at straws with this one.
Because Overwatch got a lot of inspiration from TF2, the games are very similar. TF2 added post launch PVE to a competitive PVP shooter, now OW is doing the same thing. Two similar things are being compared whaaaaaat???
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People forget that nothing is unique, everything is borrowed or inspired by something
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I’ve only really seen this from r/tf2 because TF2 good Overwatch bad.
Overwatch has been compared to TF2 since day 1 and Jeff even said that TF2 is a major inspiration for the game.
So on the surface, MVM and Omnic Crisis 2 look similar but robot invasion is already a common trope among fiction. They also play completely differently with MvM being first-person Tower Defense and OW2 essentially being a campaign. So no I think MvM had anything to do with OW2’s story and this coming from someone who vastly prefers TF2 over Overwatch.
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How many class based action shooters fighting robots are there.
The main reason is a tf2 YouTuber called delfy.
Delfy is the worst in the community. He posts exploit videos which teach people to use game-breaking bugs, which contributed to the downfall of tf2. He is content hungry and uses other YouTubers (A guy called NISLt who disappeared) to bait people into watching his videos so he gets paid. The tf2 community dislike Overwatch because it took heavy inspiration and is more popular, and so Delfy wants to exploit this. He made a video claiming Overwatch stole from tf2, and this fuelled the community’s rage.
So that’s why.
The gameplay of OW2 to MvM isn’t even the same though… comparsion is basically “Robots and Upgrades” with no mental comprehension as to it’s game-play structure.
We all know payload and mercy’s healing was ripped out of TF2… I’m not going to be naive to that. But this… this is beyond moronic to think they are the same.
I mean… you can play coop in Borderslands where you fight robots and get upgrades but I don’t think anyone is this stupid to make a comparsion.
To understand these kind of topics, you need to know that this is a very old problem between TF2 and Overwatch.
While Overwatch devs were honored to have their games compared to TF2, the community (a good number of people) on the other hand do tend to deny that OW had any inspiration from TF2. They also give impression that OW is the future and TF2 is an old dying game. TF2 does not deny its own roots (Quake) and knows it will never be as good as its forefather but OW community doesn’t share a similar attitude which is why you will constantly hear TF2 players trying to put OW players in their place and expecting them to respect their daddy.
Furthermore OW community has also, time to time, proven to be hypocritical. Claiming to be pure and not getting any inspiration from TF2 yet accusing Paladins to be ripping off from OW instead of realizing that Paladins might be drawing inspiration from the same place as OW which btw both their devs and community happily accept and fully embrace i.e TF2 is their predecessor. Thankfully, the devs of both OW and Paladins realize this but as long as the OW community differs, there will always be TF2 players poking fun at every new feature OW will release, making comparisons.
So it’s not really about one game ripping something from another. It is more about OW community’s general attitude towards its competitors.
Also I think people don’t know that there was a game mode in MvM that got cut which involved us, the players, escorting a bomb to the enemy robots’ base and dropping it in a check point to win the round as we fought off hordes of robots. So it wasn’t meant to be purely Tower-Defense type as it is currently. Also MvM was released much later as a PVE component of a competitive PVP game when TF2 was running out of ideas, seems to be a similar case with OW. So comparisons might still be unjust but expected.
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That’s not what my mommy told me. I am so.
I’ve been in TF2 for 8 years before I left (2016-2017) so I know about OW being inspired by TF2… I also know that a lot of TF2 content creators and general commentators called OW “a TF2 clone”… so it isn’t really about denying OW was inspired by TF2, more so acknowledging that OW isn’t a carbon copy of TF2 (I mean… look at Barriers).
No one is putting anyone in their place, all they are doing is starting fights based on half-baked assumptions… I kind of wish they would educate themselves before doing this nonsense.
As for the community and paladins… it’s composed of multiple different people. Different backgrounds, different viewpoints… some are Idiots that say stuff like “Paladins is ripping off OW” not knowing and again, I kind of wish they would educate themselves before doing this nonsense. So you can’t really call a community hypocritical because again it’s composed of multiple different people, some do this… some do that.
As for the undeveloped game mode in MvM… can anyone really claim OW is copying something that was never released? any level headed individual would naturally dismiss that as nonsense.
I mean
A PvP game updates and adds a PvE mode
That’s about it? lol
quick search points to the only relevant topic being almost last week… so, im not sure why you’re even concerned about this. no one else is.
so it isn’t really about denying OW was inspired by TF2, more so acknowledging that OW isn’t a carbon copy of TF2 (I mean… look at Barriers).
At this point, it’s both. But at the end of day, it’s just people having poor judgment.
No one is putting anyone in their place, all they are doing is starting fights based on half-baked assumptions… I kind of wish they would educate themselves before doing this nonsense.
Welcome to the internet. People think they are winning arguments but really, it’s just a messy pointless fight in general.
So you can’t really call a community hypocritical because again it’s composed of multiple different people, some do this… some do that.
Sorry, I did not meant to generalize the entire community. Just pointing out that it’s kinda unique about OW community that it has some people that they pick on Paladins on the same reason that OW ends up being picked on by some in TF2 community. From what I seen, Paladins and TF2 fans don’t have anything against each other but they always end picking on OW together. I always felt like it is because some people among OW tend to provoke these fanbases. And since OW’s community is the largest in the end, “some” ends up being composed of a lot of people. So OW’s community is starting more fights using controversial statements on average than TF2 and Paladins communities combined probably.
As for the undeveloped game mode in MvM… can anyone really claim OW is copying something that was never released? any level headed individual would naturally dismiss that as nonsense.
People would see it as OW dev digging up old ideas of TF2 and re-imagining all the used and unused aspects in a new way. Because one of the valuable things you can do as a business is to make an idea of your competitor work that they failed at. Still my point was with mentioning the unused mode was that, there is more to TF2’s MvM than we know so you never know where the comparisons are coming from really.
But I would repeat my conclusion, the goal of people (starting a fight) you mentioned, is not to make a good argument. People are looking to pick on OW because they find it annoying, particularly the players of OW. Because you don’t see TF2 players attacking Paladins, it’s always OW for some reason.
I think it’s more to do with player size… paladins is naturally a smaller playerbase than TF2 so I doubt it would be viewed as a threat.
TF2 - h ttps://steamcharts.com/app/440
Paladins - h ttps://steamcharts.com/app/444090
However OW, even though morons call it a dead game is rather big and successful. Blizzard literally built a competitive league for OW compared to Valve’s neglect to the competitive scene in TF2 (A few blog posts). It isn’t hard to imagine TF2 players attack OW rather than Paladins.
Pretty sure it was Valve’s office policy that did this.
Also, NISLT is back now
As for the post itself, it’s because people see PvE with robots and assume that it’s a copy (although I will admit that weird buzzing noise featured in both trailers is awfully similar).
Hopefully though the devs are taking notes on MVM.