i dont understand. widow has been in the game since launch and was counterable. same with today.
rein has been in the game since launch. he can be killed and countered.
why are we hating on heroes with hardly any change since launch and have been counterable since the beginning?
“nerf widow” why? cuz her team can actually support her? thats not widows fault. and oneshots have been in the game since launch, and people know how to counter those. its been a couple years.
“nerf rein” genuinely why? hes the only viable shield tank for both attack and defense (maybe orisa depending on team comps). i honestly dont know what the problem is. if hes hard to kill, its probably because hes getting extreme amounts of healing and support from his team. thats not his fault.
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Because metas like dive and goats were made to counter things like widow, but as soon as said meta dies widow goes back to being top-tier
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I think the problem is that when you encounter these heroes over and over again, playing against them becomes stale and unfun. People might’ve not complained about Widow in the earlier days of Overwatch simply because the meta did not support her, and I wouldn’t really care about Reinhardt if I wasn’t forced play him every single time I get filled into main tanking.
Currently the only nerf Reinhardt threads are coming from a single salty boi who is upset about the nerf Widow threads and is on a tirade against them and Reinhardt (for whatever reason)
As for the Widowmaker threads, there have always been complaints against her, but they’ve been lower volume because prior to Dive, she wasn’t very good, and during Dive, Tracer was a bigger problem (and the giant elephant of Mercy, though she’s obviously not DPS and had a rework). The Widow threads peaked last year when she and Hanzo were dominating the meta. GravDragons/Double Snipes got nerfed (mostly through nerfs to Hanzo, Mercy, and Zarya), GOATS showed up, the whole thing got swept under the rug. Now that GOATS isn’t a big issue, people are focusing back on the unresolved problem that’s been lurking for the past year
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People that want to nerf Rein have absolutely no clue on how this game is balanced. Reinhardt is a pendulum that swings back and forth as the meta changes. One minute he is the BEST, the next he is niche on his linear maps like King’s Row.
Reinhardt was thrusted forward in the meta by turning Zarya into a DPS machine, and having Brig fall in our laps which enabled that playstyle.
Winston GOATS is just as powerful on certain maps because his gun eats past shields and he can contest the high ground better.
People are kinda dumb. The forum has always been this way.
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Rein feels extremely, extremely cheap to play into.
Earthshatter is a free teamfight win on Q. The only counter is another Rein. Your team plays Orisa? Hope you like dying to shatter 4-5 times in the match with ABSOLUTELY NO COUNTER.
And Rein can get ult charge with firestrike. It’s impossible to prevent all damage from, because it pierces everything. So you can’t even starve him of ult charge.
It’s an extremely cheap combination that is incredibly obnoxious to play into and the only reason everyone doesn’t hate it is because it HAS been in the game since the beginning so everyone accepts it, and is used to losing if they don’t have a Reinhardt. It is only now becoming a problem because other tanks are getting more popular.
The Rein topics are from the same guy who posted all 3 in less then 5 min… he had a rough day i guess lol
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Literally any stun will stop earthshatter. ANY Stun.
My shatter has been outplayed by McCrees, Brigs, Lucio boops, Winston Shield bubbles (yes believe it or not a good Winston can block ES), Mei Walls, Doomfist punch, Junkrat mine, RoadHog HOOK, EMP, and Trans.
I’m probably forgetting some. But to say his Earthshatter has NO counters is completely idiotic.
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Unless you are psychic, you are not going to react in time. Rein can also shatter out of the range of 90% of stuns.
He has the award in my book for Worst Opinion on Reinhardt
Whenever someone says “unfun, oppressive, cheap, mandates mirror,” etc etc in reference to Reinhardt, all they can ever talk about is Earthshatter, which they then proceed to claim has zero counterplay even though it does… like, that’s part of the entire reason Zenyatta and Lucio are run so much in GOATS, because if the enemy shatters and you Trans or SB, then they just wasted their shatter.
What, are you all lining up in front of him? His AOE angle isn’t that large. If you’re lining up so that he gets all of you, and you haven’t been employing counterplay, then he deserves that Shatter. Your team was pretty much handing it to him on a silver platter.
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Because loads of heroes are short range… because Rein has 2000 shield HP and you need to pound it away… because Rein came up to YOU… because there’s an objective… you name it.
Shatter is cheap garbage. It needs to go.
I hate Rein so much because the only role Rein seems to have in the game is force losses on me because I don’t have a Rein on my team. He is the perfect epitomy of the hero that is necessary on 90% of teams but only 10% of people want to play.
Not sure what elo you are, but it happens all the time at my lowly Plat rank. SOoooo I’m not sure why your game experience is different than mine. I mean, this is an FPS shooter, you need to have a good reaction time to be good at the game. I mean if you are in Europe connecting to US servers, than that’s really on the person with high ping.
Because good players can ULT track the enemy team and put themselves into positions to counter.
I’m sorry, but every time you and I have a discussion about Reinhardt I honestly get the feeling like you are a bad player. There are solutions to defeating Reinhardt, but everytime we talk in a thread, those solutions go completely over your head and you just scream “HE’S OP” or “HE HAS NO COUNTERS”…
I mean… com’ on bro, it’s getting old at this point. I’ve never said this to anyone on the forums, but maybe you actually need to “git gud” and learn to kill a Reinhardt; it’s not that difficult to outplay them once you have good mechanics, game sense, and a decent reaction time.
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So walk to his side. It’s not rocket surgery. If you see him approaching you, assume he’s going to Shatter and play accordingly.
Every time I see you whining about Reinhardt, it seriously just sounds like you’re playing awfully into him and handing him the free Shatters. Like seriously. I never have an issue with Reinhardt beyond what I do any other character, and I’m Plat. I’m hardly the god player among players.
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It’s because everyone doesn’t wanna be rank. And when there’s no tanks to stand behind they’re gunna get sniped
I mean, it’s not just shatter. It’s that, plus he’s vastly better as a tank on top of it.
As everyone collectively improves the boundaries of what’s acceptable performance wise are pushed as such a hero unchanged from day 1 could become comparatively OP as people are capable of squeezing more value from the same kit.
That’s a bold subjective claim m8. Most of the top ranked players at the higher elos would argue Hammond and Winston are top dogs in the tank category atm. (especially on ladder)
If you want to say Rein is powerful in YOUR elo, then by all means, make that argument, but don’t make blanketed generalizations that don’t hold water.
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Ok, fine. The problem is that Rein is about the only viable tank in ranks lower than masters. Orisa is sort of OK but you’ll get shattered all day long, but Winston and Hammond are just garbage low.
Also, even if Rein is not literally OP, shatter is incredibly frustrating to play into. It’s one of the best ults in the game and anyone who can effortlessly farm ult charge should have a bad ult. Either shatter should be much, much worse or fire strike should not pierce.
IDK, even in Plat, Hammond and Orisa are pretty strong. They’re map dependent, but on their maps, they blow Reinhardt out of the water. He’s just the default on maps where they’re not as strong, which is to say, he’s also map dependent. That’s pretty good balancing IMO
I’ve said it numerous times, but your tirade against Reinhardt really just comes across as hysteria.
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GOATs killed Grav Dragons and Dive. Widow wasn’t anywhere involved with that. She briefly saw use with double sniper, which was after Grav Dragons, for less than a season before Brig released.
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