Why am I so bad after playing for so long?

Hey all. I’ve played OW since launch, basically, and have been on the competitive ladder since season 2. I’m a console player (Xbox) and I’ve been consistently plat for most of my career, peaking at 2997 before role lock. I don’t really have a main, but I enjoy playing Tracer, Cassidy, Soldier, Genji as DPS, Zarya, D.Va, and Orisa as Tank, and my favorite healer is Ana.

This isn’t really a post about how I feel like I should be at a higher rank. After being flamed for so long, I’ve just got to wondering. My border is gold, so how come my skill doesn’t reflect the hours I put into the game? I was always attempting to get better, I don’t really get bad teammates for my rank, and I’ve been playing consistently for years at this point. But every now and then I just get absolutely awful days where I can barely do anything against the opposing team except lose.

This happens no matter what role I choose. The days where I actually feel like a competent player are going way down, and it’s really harshing my mellow, so I decided to ask the forums for the first time.

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What heroes do you play the most?

Maybe you are a jack of all trades and lack specialisation.

I don’t know what’s holding you back, but you could ask for a VOD review on the comp section of the forums, I’m pretty sure someone can help you out :ok_hand:

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That’s bad? I’m about to hit lvl 3000……I still play in gold/plat lobbies……time played does not = guaranteed ranking up….

But more importantly, plat isn’t bad at all…I believe diamond and up is/was like top 13%….and 2997 is basically diamond….so you’re basically saying almost diamond is “bad”

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Diamond+ is the Top 14% of the playerbase, so being 2997 puts you at the Top 15% :sunglasses:

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And plat is like top 30-40 or something around there….literally above average :sweat_smile:

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Everyone including you, playing the game has gotten better since then. You’ve improved just at roughly the same rate as everyone else in comp. It’s just harder to see. So if you put yourself back in time to your rank in 2016 you’d wipe the floor with old plat.

Besides a peak just under diamond (top 15%) doesn’t make you a bad player, seeing as Jeff said the average player is gold, you’re fine. Good even. I have off days too, if you still want to play overwatch go chill in game browser instead.

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Haha, no I wasn’t trying to say that plat is bad. I enjoy my rank, I normally feel challenged and I do win games every now and then. It’s just that I’ve been playing at this level for so long, despite playing to get better for some 5 years. So I’m wondering if I’m doing something wrong to not be able to get a better rank.

My teammates are good most of the time, and I don’t find many leavers, so it’s not that. I’m just wondering, is all. Thanks for the kind words, though!

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Do you ever feel some games you could have won just by swapping for a stall or for that last push? Dont shy from using Mei, Doom, Reaper, Junkrat ect as DPS, or Brig, Moira as Supports.

Because that s how a lot of plats push into diamond wheb they reach the threshhold. They won by taking that extra second on the clock.

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Yeah, no. Reason youre bad is cuz you dont have anybody to coach you and explain the game to you. You just need someone who will explain to you what heroes to play when, in what comps, what maps, Why them and not someone else, etc. and itll all go much easier.

Not all of us can figure this out on our own. Even most of OWL players were probably noobs at one point who got helped out by someone else and then their mind opened up to how this game reaally works.

Literally the mistake of 95% of the community is picking heroes they should NOT be picking. And not changing when theyre being countered etc. and trying to stubbornly force Ana Mercy or some garbage tank line.

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I’m guessing you’re just kinda playing the game instead of learning how to improve.

You should have a wide hero roster capable of counter picking the enemy no matter what they pick to always give you an edge

its about the quality of the hours you put in rather than just the quantity of hours, if you dont know which part of your skills is lacking and work on that or you dont focus on improving your current skills at all then you’ll most likely stay at the same level

two things i have to say :

one, no matter how good or bad you are, you’ll have good and bad days that feel unlosable or unwinnable. you (hopefully) end up realizing that it’s better to just write those off as lucky (or unlucky) and extract whatever fun or value you can out of them.

two, i want to try and offer you a different way of thinking about how we actually improve at things as humans

imagine you’re starting again, from zero. you just picked up the game. what do you do? do you: a) learn everything ahead of time, or b) guess and make things up as you go along?

the answer is, obviously, b. even if you try to learn ahead of time, everybody is going to be assuming certain aspects of how to play. you still are, we all still are. that’s what makes us unique as players, gives us playstyles, gives us strengths or weaknesses etc. it’s like that in every game, and not just in games, we do it when learning pretty much anything. it’s all, mostly, improv. even in a game as old as chess, humans still haven’t “solved” it to the degree computers have, so we definitely haven’t in overwatch.

there are two things working against you:

  1. overwatch is a very chaotic game, where the same action does not always yield the same result, because there are so many variables. choosing to flank at a given time will work against one team, but not the next. it makes it very difficult to improve on your own, through trial and error. some people do, but it’s usually always faster to cut the trial and skip to the known solution (this is what coaching and vod reviewing does)
  2. many of these guesses that we make turn into long term habits, whether we realize them or not, and a lot of the things we do tend to build ontop of those old habits. it can be self destructive if you’ve made the wrong guesses; for exmaple, how to time engages, how to use ults, where to position and why. (this is also another reason vod reviewing and coaching ranks people up so fast - it forces you to acknowledge these habits and improve them)

simply playing for a long time doesn’t guarantee you’re going to improve, it’s only going to guarantee that you’re more experienced than somebody new. but how useful is experience, really? if a total noob guesses how to time their engagements better than you and has better mechanics, both can be carryover skills from other games, they’ll smoke you. it doesn’t matter how long you played :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

you don’t need coaching or vod reviews to overcome those problems, but if you’ve been stuck for a long time, it might help you get “unstuck” if you seek out answers to specific problems

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Trying to improve on your own is good and all but if you don’t know what to work on you’re just gonna repeat the same mistakes over and over.

It took the OWL and a bunch of guides for me to slowly climb for high plat to T500 the first time.

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Try getting a game reviewed.

You can get free reviews from GMs and Top500s here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity

Just post a Replay code.

You don’t even need to record a game. Just go to:

main menu > career profile > replays > click a game > share > copy code

I almost have a Gold border but left Comp in Silver/Gold range

Started out Bronze but that didn’t last as long as I thought… LOL

I have given up on “getting better” cause I am lazy and don’t want to play 40+ hours of comp anymore

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Sometimes I feel the same way lmao.

This might help you in some way - I often find I get worse as time goes on when I play really often. Say, I play for a few hours every day for 5 days. Days 1 and 2 will be my best days, and my playing slowly gets worse after that until I’m at day 5 and I ragequit because I’m doing so badly haha.

Take a break. I mean there are so many reasons to take a break from this game right now, but going on a little hiatus will probably do you some good skill-wise when you come back.

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Were you attempting to get better at specific things through targeted practice? All the good intentions in the world won’t amount to much if your improvement strategies aren’t dialed in.

So much this. Even outside of OW, I take a few days away from something and I come back able to do things I was really struggling with.

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It’s all about mindset my guy

If you’re not constantly analysing your own plays you’re not going to improve

Just because you do something heaps doesn’t mean you’re going to be any better at it, why do you think there’s so many bad drivers on the road

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You’re not. The algorithm sucks. It constantly mismatches teams and even when it does match, say, in MH? Yeah one team is always going to be heavily favored by the AI.

Hero selection matters more than anything in the current state of the game. Knowing what works when and why (for example don’t play rein rush type comps on maps where they can borderline AFK on high ground and shoot) is the best way to improve without actually relying on mechanically improving.

Learn counters as well. (real counters, not the perceived counters like reaper into winston that aren’t actual counters)
Brig hard counters all mobility heroes, but she’s borderline useless without a real team against hanzo, echo, pharah, torb, junkrat map and team comp/skill depending for example.

You can spend 20000 hours playing wrong, and because it SOMETIMES works it helps to encourage the idea that you’re playing right. That’s more or less why people don’t improve even when they’re actively trying. They just don’t know what they’re doing wrong, and keep doing it anyway because it sometimes rewards you for improper play.

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