I don’t think there is a single person who plays this game that enjoys only being able to pick their favorite hero once every 50 games.
Yet, for some reason, the devs say that they think it’s okay to essentially kill these characters by making them situational counter pick options.
Is the “community” being talked about here YourOverwatch? He’s the only person I can see excepting this as a good change.
They are going to have to rediscover that people enjoy playing the heroes they enjoy. What a shock! We as professional game designers could have never anticipated this behavior.
I dont really ask for niche specifically, but I am not adverse to heroes being map and mode dependent. In fact, that would probably be a better way to balance, shake up the meta.
That would be incredibly lame to the person who gets stuck with the niche character pick just because they like a certain hero. It practically makes them have to give up playing the character they want to play for at least 50% of the games they play.
Then they should broaden their horizons, variety is the spice of life.
Well…
…so lot’s of players/s
That is not what any self respecting Reinhardt wants. Those are the kids on DPS and support who are trying to be the change they want to see.
You know, I honestly thought you were going to jump on my Hog mains comment instead. 
Mei has been and always will be one of my favorite heroes to play in OW. I also have more time played on her than nearly every hero outside of Ana & Zen.
It’s okay she’s niche. Okay in the sense that I accept balancing all these heroes is a nightmare and no one is ever happy. Could she be better? Certainly. Do I want to see some ideas around her kit be better designed and implemented, yes. Does everyone who want that for Mei as well, have the same ideas as I do to make that happen? Of course not.
If she improves in a way I enjoy, great. If not, oh well. Live service games that are competitive in nature are like that.
I hate Hog players who let this rework happen. It is a disgrace and the environmental Hog are beta. I will take THEM off the map. And we go together. The only friend they will ever have.
I don’t think that’s the same as wanting to be able to only do that. I think they would be satisfied if they could do those things and more, at least more so than they would being forced to only do that one thing.
You can tell that this would be the case because of how much Widow mains don’t like being instantly deleted by Sombras. Or how Hog mains don’t like being countered by a small amount of purple juice staining their shirts. etc.
The issue is that they will eventually hit a wall where she can’t be balanced into a better spot because it would break her, but at the same time she’s doing so poorly against everything else that she’s essentially useless. Not only that, but new heroes will more than likely replace her by doing her job better with less drawbacks.
I feel like that alone could and should be mitigated by reworking her kit into something that doesn’t make her niche (this does not mean she has to lose everything, just the problematic parts of her kit).
I was being 100% sarcastic in my entire post. You even quoted the right sentence proving it. Please check it again. Just look a little closer…
Let me zoom in on my post for you:
Do you see it?
That crafty period… it wasn’t a period! 
It’s called choosing the path of least resistance
Do you try and make heroes like hog orisa mauga (heroes majority of players hate playing against) equally viable as heroes like rein winston zarya (heroes majority of players find honest to face)
OR
do you just pull the bandaid off and accept heroes like hog mauga and orisa are a mistake, people dont enjoy when they’re good, and relegate them to being weaker niche heroes
Since the start of ow2 especially, the devs have been trying to push for option 1 where every hero is viable. I think they’ve eventually come to the conclusion that their philosophy is flawed in that most players specifically hate playing against a group of certain heroes and it makes way more sense to just balance the game around heroes people actually enjoy playing instead of trying to make every hero, even the ones people hate, playable
Sure you may lose the odd hog orisa mauga player who is fed up that you made their hero purposefully weak, but in doing so chances are you actually lose less people overall from the collateral damage of people quitting because they hate when those heroes are being picked. You anger and lose a minority to keep the majority happy
So much this. All the heroes should be balanced around their realistic potential in the highest tiered ladder gameplay regardless of what that hero is or does.
Not relevant. What a hero is or does is more important than their competitive potential
Fun > balance
It doesnt matter if a hero is balanced if they’re not fun to play with or against people will stop playing the game.
It doesnt matter if a hero like hog or mauga is balanced, majority of people stop playing when they’re played. Only real answers are rework them or make them not playable by making them weak.
You can have a game be fun and unbalanced, you cant have an unfun but balanced game. No one is going to play that
Im not asking for niche heroes. Im asking for heroes nrhat do things we havent seen. Like a tank with a wall style sheild and heavy magnetic rail cannon, or a melee support that has fire damage.
Are we now saying that the community wants to one-trick? Have we gone from one-trick bad to one-trick good? Between posts like this and people not wanting to counterswap that’s the conclusion I’m drawing.
Your idea of “fun” or “annoying” is invalid and therefore is not considerable in the face of something actually tangible like a balance state of the game. Just because you personally feel one way is a horrible excuse not to actually balance the game. Therefore it’s just a completely asinine take. What a hero does is utmost definitely not more important than their realistic potential in the highest tiered gameplay. Even amusing the idea that variety existing should just be a sham would be ignorant
One tricks were always good and pure and innocent and skilled. People just refuse to admit it because they are jealous they ain’t us.
then theres me who tries to make wrecking ball work on every map from midtown to nepal
