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Hardly matters, new tank coming out soon and knowing blizzard he’ll be super overpowered at release so people will purchase him so they can make big bucks.
The nerf him at end of season when a new hero is coming out.
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Probably Junkerqueen. I know everyone is all over Doom, but his mobility automatically makes him the more viable tank, in my opinion. He just has a MUCH higher skill floor. Your average Queen is way less useless than your average Doom.
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They are both probably going to be one of those heroes that vacillates between OP and meh. Their kits are inherently more valuable in coordinated teams.
Tough, depends on your criteria. JQ feels more viable in general because you can get more value out of her on average compared to a random playing DF. Then again a strong DF has excellent movement which lets him harass the backline which is what he should be doing.
Where as JQ is kind of comp dependent. At least imo Kiriko counter plays JQ a lot more than DF. So…I guess JQ is worse. But I’d personally rather have her on my team over a DF.
Haven’t played Doomfist in his latest version but JunkerQueen for a new character that you would expect to be overpowered to start is not impressive at all.
The version you’re playing was nerfed pretty substantially from beta 2. She was so strong that she was winning > 60% of the time unmirrored, way out of balance with the rest of the tanks.
Also, JQ is still better than Doomfist. DF’s missing a comp that really lets him show off what he can do.
Yeah, which is why Geoff Goodman decided “let’s make sure she has a 40% winrate when the game launches, wouldn’t want any mortals to have fun with her, that would be blasphemy!” and then left the building
lol I forgotten she had been nerfed before she was even officially launched. Only those willing to be good corporate slaves and pay for access to a beta should get to play op jq. lol.
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Both ALMOST make me reporting them for gameplay sabotage when opponent has a Zarya
My opinion: I think doomfist is the worst tank. While he definitely seems more mobile, it hardly seems to matter, as his damage is so small, you can just ignore him outright. He’s only threatening in the sense he might block you as a health sponge between the payload or CP . Beyond that, he’s completely ignorable even by dps or support with low health.
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The problem is that nobody else was allowed to have fun. Y’all complaining about Zarya but Zarya was getting run over by JOATS all day long.
JQ needs some kind of change, but the only thing they really nerfed was a bug with wound stacking and shout (rightfully). Having rally on a cooldown was so broken.
Mostly even I find. I know how to play Doom so I get more success out of him, but they both feel kinda… bad. Whilst JQ has the damage, it’s nowhere near as good or consistent as Hog’s, not warranting her mobility nerf.
Doom is Winston but with less defense and overall survivability. Just… bad in general rn.
ok but goodman can’t do basic math. they know EXACTLY how much mitigation she was doing before the nerf. they knew EXACTLY how much mitigation she was doing after the nerf. and yet they decided to launch her absolutely unplayable, because who cares since we’re not Overwatch League, right?
Like Sigma literally averages 20,000 damage done and 20,000 damage mitigated per game and does not need to get in your face or even be in line of sight to hit people.
Junkerqueen is averaging 6,500 damage and 2,000 damage mitigated in a normal game, 11,000 damage and 6,500 damage mitigated in the best game of her life. And this is if she’s PLAYING RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ENEMY TEAM for cleaving self-heal. HOW IS THIS FAIR??? HOW WAS IT NOT OBVIOUS SHE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY UNPLAYABLE LIKE THIS?
When played at their skill floor?
Doom.
When played at their ceiling?
JQ.
do you have statistics for this? like obviously sigma is way stronger but this seems rather implausible
Junker Queen by only a bit because the self-survivability is rough at times. Although, Doomfist has to risk himself to get value but I think he can survive situations better and can harass teams better. I still enjoy playing those characters and can make some cool plays when it works out but I’d imagine some player don’t know how to get the most out of it.
But let me say that I think these tanks are in a reasonable power level that feels alright to me or fair against dps minus some little things like discord, grenade, or hack being annoying. I’d prefer the game balance of other heroes were more around like say Junker Queen’s level so to speak, but I guess that’s hard to explain.
Also, I want to add some of the older maps aren’t great for these heroes. And on Doomfist, there are so many small objects that mess you up on the ground to land on.
Doomfist is worse. Why?
Dez has less self sustain and health overall than Doomfist, making Doom win when it comes to sustain, but if we’re talking actual value?
Dez can provide movement speed and overhealth to her allies, can scare off flankers really easily with her pretty nasty damage output, and Rampage can decimate teams without a Zarya or Kiriko.
Doomfist, however, is very easily shut down. He has a more traditional tanking ability in the form of Power Block, but it’s slow and leaves him very vulnerable, and Rocket Punch and Meteor Strike are very telegraphed and very avoidable.
So Doomfist wins in staying power, but Dez wins everywhere else. Don’t get me wrong, they’re both awful. But a Junker Queen is definitely the more viable option than a Doomfist.
In my opinion Doomfist.
Junkerqueen at least do a lot of damage and while her healing is bad it is still something… Especially when combined with all of her abilities to cause a lot of damage.
She also gives the team something so at least they earn something from her being a pick.
Doomfist is just… feeding. No survive ability, no damage - even his ult is just slowness for a bit and if you’re lucky some damage.
Even in term of fix. All junkerqueen needs is more healing from her abilities and she’s good to go (maybe also let her knife get through matrix. Same for Orisa’s spear. It just feels right… like Hog’s hook or Brigitte’s flail shot but that’s more for logic than balance).
For Doomfist? Good luck with that… Except maybe for his seismic slam - noting in his kit actually feels like it does something.
JQ at least stays in LOS of the healers