Which character is badly designed?

[Cennixx-2900]

pharah

[Sî13ñ7-2289]

@Speedwagon-11177

• Sombra’s whole kit is centered around removing abilities in a game that revolves around abilities, her value is amplified against heroes who need their abilities to stay alive (I.E. Tanks) meaning she exists just to bully the most miserable role even further
• the skill difference required to play vs her compared to as her with these matchups is so one sided too.
  • Sombra just needs to right click in the general direction of a ball to render him worthless
  • WB needs to spy check as often as possible, not engage too deeply, play around cover so if he get’s hacked, he can use LOS to save him. even when following all this advice, it changes how the ball has to play even without the sombra doing a thing.
• On the flip side, some heroes who don’t rely on their abilities will never even be worried about Sombra’s main gimmick, Symmetra Torb and Orisa hacks are basically jokes or accidents if they ever happen.

That’s a very looooooooooooooong version of…

@Zekki-1657

The ones that counter my main.

[StrawbrryGuy-1554]

@Cake-12334

Nowadays, Brigitte

Nowdays? Are you suggesting brig was ever a well designed hero?

[StrawbrryGuy-1554]

@Slimeonian-1596

How is there only a handful of people saying Bastion?

I’ll give you a hint… read the main post.

[UrekMazino-21444]

Doomfist , seriously how did they design this character ? a character that comes from across the map , jump at you , lifts off the ground , shoot you , then leaves , rinse and repeat . like seriously … HOW ? whoever designed that hero should be fired , thankfully they nerfed him … after a year of chaos but they went too far with it LOL , other character is DVA

[Zephrin-11143]

@Knighthood-21706

Symmetra → as long as she has her TP she will be a highly map dependent niche hero

False because there is a solution to making her less niche without making her OP:

@Zephrin-11143

• renumber orbs around them being faster moving projectiles so they’re more aimable in more ranges and thus have a longer effective range
  • deathball sym rush can’t benefit from better ranged orbs because they’re too busy trying to rush into the enemy for w+m1
• make sym be able to interact with immediately upon placement
  • deathball sym rush can’t benefit from sym being able to interact with tp sooner because the whole comp + strat is built around moving as a singular unit, and to go alone before everyone else is engaged for most of their tp spots is suicide.
• make sym tp have a better cd mechanic like “cd starts upon placement and pauses halfway until destruction”
  • deathball sym rush can’t benefit from this because they’re too busy trying to leave it perma somewhere to hold 2 entrances or just single use one way tps that they destroy near immediately after taxiing.

@Ranulf-1999

Sym being designed aroung being a team TP bot over a viable DPS hero is indeed at the core of her issues.

also false because of the above + the fact that it’s really the devs and the community being against objective balance being the core reason.

[StrawbrryGuy-1554]

@Lynx-13811

Baptiste’s kit lacks for nothing.

Same with hanzo and hog now too. Baps moon boot buff was the worst change they ever made to him. His weakness before was just lack of mobility but then they turned him into a bunny.

[StrawbrryGuy-1554]

I added up all the heroes people said are bad design here. Officially according to the overwatch forums, the only well designed overwatch heroes are:

• Dva
• Winston
• Lucio
• Mei
• Reaper
• Soldier

[usernamehere-21466]

I would say Doomfist is worse than ball and ball is worse than Tracer

[Knighthood-21706]

@ŘïĝĜèĐ-1974

TP is amazing on every map and in every situation.

It’s one of the highest skillcap abilities in the game.
You’re just not thinking in portals.
I suggest 5d quantum chess as an alternative to aim-trainers if you’re going to play sym or reason about her design.

It’s plain and simple:
If a hero consistently has a close to 60% winrate and ~0.5% pickrate for years at this point, then there is a severe core design problem with it.

@Zephrin-11143

False because there is a solution to making her less niche without making her OP:

I will believe that TP is fixable as soon as I see it actually happen

[Zephrin-11143]

@Knighthood-21706

I will believe that TP is fixable as soon as I see it actually happen

>“I’ll only think it’s possible if devs do it”
>“Devs should do away with it because I think it’s impossible”

that’s just circular logic.

like devs don’t know everything. they’re fallible.
heck they be looking at OW2 rn going “omg who would’ve known that taking out cc, nerfing sustain and taking out off tanks which are a source of peeling would lead to flankers and specifically tracer wreaking havoc on the back line” despite so many people seeing this coming from the moment they announced what changes they were doing like 1~2yrs ago.

[Axafekt-1863]

@Katattack-11943

Tracer, for the sole fact they decided to balance the game around her. Worst choice that has lead to terrible balance.

She is the biggest offender of bloated kits. I have said if you take tracer out of this game in any other game she would be viewed as a Mary Sue and op.

[Axafekt-1863]

Lol. You think exo boots help against hitscan heroes?

[Knighthood-21706]

If the devs can’t or won’t fix it, then - at least in a practical sense - it is unfixable.
Because no matter how good or bad your idea of a fix is, they are not going to let you try to fix it.

Hence I will believe it as soon as it happens and not a moment sooner

[Zephrin-11143]

@Knighthood-21706

If the devs can’t or won’t fix it, then - at least in a practical sense - it is unfixable.

I wonder if you also take this view when it comes to how you vote for governments
e.g. “oh no climate change is impacting my cost of living and my risk to natural disasters which the government act on, guess it’s unfixable. time to continue voting for the same candidates because they can’t do anything about climate change so let’s not care about it”.

[Gyutaro-1985]

@e4e16vmC0v3f-1947

Moira is by far the worst designed hero, aoe spam heal that holds her team hostage to stay within 8m of her

If u want to heal outside that range u have to use the worst designed ability in the game, a slow orb that travels linearly, or she uses it to get the most cheese damage in the game, or she has to waste her only escape

That’s why you run a rush comp with rein as main tank cause the idea is to stack together and run over your opponents

[Recalled-11451]

Hanzo
no ammo reload, a 750 damage ability on a short cool down, one shot that only requires average aim at best

probably the worst designed character in this game

[Knighthood-21706]

@Zephrin-11143

@Knighthood-21706

If the devs can’t or won’t fix it, then - at least in a practical sense - it is unfixable.

I wonder if you also take this view when it comes to how you vote for governments
e.g. “oh no climate change is impacting my cost of living and my risk to natural disasters which the government act on, guess it’s unfixable. time to continue voting for the same candidates because they can’t do anything about climate change so let’s not care about it”.

I either must have missed the last time we were able to vote for devs or I am completely missing the connection here

[anon37951205]

So you are suggesting from your analogy that we need to change the dev team to get it fixed? Because the current dev team, as the other guy says, is doing diddly squat about it.

[moven-21567]

Sym 3.0. She’s a mess with no interesting gameplay loop, a product of cool ideas clumped together.