When is Moira ever a bad pick today, really?

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Also… Who does she pair well with?

I just commented on a separate thread, and really unpacked why I like her.

Can I really run her everywhere, or is that the development of an ignorant Moira Main mindset?

For a few games, I’ve played her along side a Zenyatta… and holy heck. If his damage orb is on point, I feel like I can delete anything in the offensive realm of Moira.

I have also solo healed with some success, though I don’t feel I get as much value out of what I could really contribute.

I butt her into an Ana pick (which seems to be controversial to some teams, for a reason I can never understand). Not only do I feel like our combined healing is limitless, I know I can focus on throwing more damage orbs and purple succ poke when such a strong support like Ana is with me.

What gives? does Moira ever truly lose?

Suppose you could argue D.Va, but I have a way with my damage orbs, and when I use a healing orb for a complete heal dump, I do so in a way D.Va’s matrix isn’t going to consume it.

Like what other support ult exists where a handsome man such as myself can provide healing and melt the enemy backline simultaneously?

I’ve played with some poor performing Moiras (I’ve never casted a stone, it’s all the learning process)… and I’ve seen some nutty Moiras as well. I’m not top 500 Moira, but I am confident for where I sit. Sometimes overly confident.

Where does her luck run out?
Who does she pair with the best? Is it really Zenyatta, like a match made from heaven?

Bap is good. I’m learning him. But heck… any other pick that isn’t direct-line Mercy and I feel like I’m throwing.

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You can run her in any comp except ball + dive tank as you will barely use your extremely high HPS.

Her healing priorities are: 1st Tank/peel support 2nd support 3rd dps.

You stick to your tanks as Moira, and you’ll be fine and impactful.

Other than that, she’s viable in every composition in Ladder at any rank. Although, the coal powershift was a huge net nerf to her…

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moira is typically paired with lucio in brawl/rush comps, but this niche has since been taken from her with bap’s and brig’s healing outputs that unfortunately rival hers. since then, her lack of utility and the coalescence ult cost nerfs sent her straight into bottom tier. people don’t pick her often because you could just play bap or brig and you get similar amounts of healing with extra utility and peel.

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I don’t want a Moira unless we are running rush comp on maybe 2 maps in this game. I’m a GM support main and I will not pick her unless it is a 1/200 niche situation.

Not sure why you think she’s a generally viable pick at all.

I would also never run Moira Zen. Double flex support leaves your Zen heavily susceptible to dive without peel to protect him. But that’s just me.

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Okay I do feel that. Like this is sobering me up a bit. Like when people are spread out, I feel a bit uneasy.

Especially with ball: I love ball, I don’t know how to play ball, and I know that he at least appears to function differently than a diving Winston… and I have times where I’d straight mag-dump my left-click heals trying to pick a retreated Ball back up in a panic (I try not to do that, but I know he’s looking to go back out. I hate seeing people sit and wait).

I think I need to be more cognisant that he’s going to be coming back battered and expecting to be upp’d… so I should probably save an orb and some heals for him. Maybe I should consider a different hero in that case all together unless Ana is picked.

When I came back, this was the death of me (and some team mates) for like a week. I didn’t know of the nerf, and hadn’t bothered reading it… holy heck I remember that thing felt like god-mode. I miss it.

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I recently found out Moira makes an astounding duo with Baptiste. His utility, range and burst mixed with her short ranged combat and strong sustained healing makes them a very good pair.

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i would say not to worry too much about healing up ball with moira! good hamsters should be able to be (mostly) self-sufficient with health packs and maybe like an occasional repair pack or a few seconds of mercy beam. i think it’d be a waste of resources for her.

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Isnt bap a flex support or is bap zen more viable because bap can be a hybrid of main and flex?

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Moira’s viable a ton of the time. People just confuse the terms viable with optimal; there’s lots of times where she is not the best possible pick. But it’s pretty few and far between where picking her results in a high chance of loss just because of picking her. In comp though it makes sense to pick whatever the best possible is in any situation though- your enemy is going to be doing everything they possibly can to beat you.

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Since my return, I’ve been through bronze to gold… so I think it might be that I’m not getting as punished maybe?

It might explain some losses, where my team is taking a ton of blows and healing are inadequate to facilitate their playstyles… but there are also games where I will take on a ton of elims and healing, and the team will prevail.

Like I’ve had more games where I felt I contributed more to the team on Moira than I could do in DPS games with Pharah, Junk or Reaper. and I am admittedly low tier in DPS, but all three of those I’m confident in doing what I need to do.

In lower ranked games, I hate to say “nothing I did was my fault,” but in the same breath I could say there isn’t much I could have done better. Those types of games.

This is a great point, and really leads me into the gray area. Like I know prior to the match that I can really crank with Moira. Whether it’s a textbook style “best pick” is still hazy to me. I might just be playing within the ranks where the punishment for a “not so good” pick is negligible and where a select skill set on any hero is more important.

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Yep, there are times where someone can say “I know hero X is technically better in this situation but I am so much better with hero Y than X that I know I will do better with hero Y in this situation”.

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She becomes less valuable the higher you climb.
She pairs well with any healer IMO
But it’s mostly dependant on the DPS and tank picks as to which healers are the best picks as a whole

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According to Overbuff Ana is better than Moira starting Bronce.

#highskill #MoiraNoAim #AnaSkillKween

(Btw. Anas healing hitbox is as big as Moiras rightclick)

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Continuing learning Bap and you’ll never touch Moira again.

It’s exactly what happened to myself and I have only ever gained SR since (I kid, but climbing and career highs exploded after I started investing in Bap).

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I wonder if Moira + Brig is a good support duo.

They both provide pretty good burst healing and are good close range damage dealers.

I probably wouldn’t combine them with other heroes that are mostly off on their own like Ball, Monkey, Tracer, Pharah, Echo, Genji, Doom…

Maybe a bunker comp would be the best for them.

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Lucio is her best synergy amongst healers.

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Funny enough I ran into a Moira+Brig duo in a 2800ish lobby and took a fat L.

Their full comp was-

Hog
Zar
Moira
Brig
Reaper
Soldier

Map was Oasis. It went two rounds and we got stomped despite me duoing with a friend on tank.

We thought our win condition was our Ana landing Nade but after watching the replay it didn’t matter. Moira and Reaper could fade it off. Zar could bubble it off. They ran this Deathballish comp both rounds and it sucked to go against. Nothing would die or even get below half health.

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Yeah honestly I think Bap is both lol

Ana Zen can be good sometimes too but only if you like know the enemy is never gonna go dive lol

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She’s not as strong as other supports but I wouldn’t consider her a bad pick. She’s probably the least risky. Brig, lucio or zen can throw the game if they’re not played properly, more than other supports would throw, but even a struggling Moira is ok. You might get more value from other characters though.

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Yeah I think thats why ana zen was a very common support combo back when pull pork was a must pick; orisa was literally every game so you knew they couldnt rush or dive you it was all poke

Altho eventually people just replaced ana with bap in poke meta

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