I’ve been holding off on posting this for some time, but this weekends games tell me it’s finally time.
I would hope the answer to the above question is immediately answered by anyone in ours and other gaming communities with “Never” - but I fully expect that’s not going to be the case. But I firmly believe that there’s a line drawn well before someone tells another player in the game, for any reason, KYS, or “Kill Yourself” - and yet it appears to be pretty regular, borderline considered even acceptable in Overwatch if the lack of action on reports are anything to go by.
My main purpose of this thread is to try to put it directly to the devs: Why isn’t this a phrase that automatically triggers a report for evaluation? Isn’t this so well over the line that regardless of the context and circumstances, the chat and game warrants reviewing and everyone involved - whether the person responsible or others in the game - require their behavior be evaluated and penalties given out appropriately?
It seems that over the weekend I had to report nearly a dozen people for things like this, racist and homophobic slurs (which are also easy to detect automatically), and behavior like this. Yet reports seem to go un-answered.
If there is not an automatically triggered system for this, I would love for Blizzard to answer: Why not?
When a team fight is lost and you’re left as baby dva while the enemy tries to stagger you “kill yourself” is appropriate so we can all spawn together faster.
No but seriously, regarding the thread, I don’t see why people take so much offense at everything. I’ve been called “BS OTP”, “DPS Main”, “F@g”, “Retard”, and so on. Just ignore them. I really don’t see how hard this is.
Your team is attacking the point, and end up losing the fight.
Both healers and 1 DPS are dead, while the other 2 have already fallen back to spawn.
The enemy are still 6 man on the objective, and your Tank is still there, swinging away despite being the only one on the point.
There’s basically no chance of the tank actually winning that fight, and he can’t retreat - but he CAN jump off a cliff.
Now, if the tank keeps fighting 3 things are going to happen.
1)The enemy kill him and gain Ult charge.
2)Any damage he deals will built the enemy supports Ult charge.
3)He just gets staggered and prolongs the time it takes for him to respawn, costing your team more time.
Under THOSE circumstances - telling the tank “Kill Yourself” makes perfect sense.
He avoids 1 & 2, and 3 is going to happen anyway.
So telling him to commit suicide is perfectly logical under those conditions.
I think we well know we’re not talking about these situations, which are easily identifiable and verifiable. The instances of homophobic and racist slurs - I don’t know how those will be defended, even jokingly.
I suggest people kill themselves if we have like 4 snipers in Mystery Heroes and need to make a push. I do clarify that I don’t mean IRL, though. XD
But on a serious note, I think people make a bigger deal out of this than it deserves. Granted, no, it’s not acceptable. But I don’t think it ranks any higher on the toxicity list than anything else.
I just see it as a general insult. More along the lines of “F you.” Not like the person literally means for you to kill yourself, you know?
Again, I’m not suggesting it’s ok, but the intent is probably not that serious. It’s just typical immature banter.
I’m a suicide survivor and it doesn’t bother me anymore than any other toxic phrase, tbh. But /shrug, that’s just me.
People taking offense at things and those being acceptable behavior are still not necessarily counter to oneanother. We can certainly say people shouldn’t take as much offense at things, but that still doesn’t make some of the crap people abuse teammates with to be acceptable.
When playing a custom game such as “Hide and seek” that involves the seekers jumping off the edge of the map after a certain amount of time.
Saying “Kill yourself” in the chat is the easiest way to convey this.
Agreed. But I don’t see why there needs to be a system to detect these trigger words and silence/ban them right away, then just ignoring them would be a much easier option.
Like, we all know they say it because there is literally nothing more they can do. Like, “F*** you”? Yeah do that through the internet mate.
I don’t understand why we need to deal with it with such a firm hand when leaving them be and not giving them the attention they want is far more effective
there could technically be situations where it does make sense to say the phrase, but I totally agree that there should be an automatic report mechanic that detects more obvious and less versatile phrases, like the obvious racial/homophobic/ableist slurs we all hear daily.
It’s super easy not to call people things like that, and I should really not have to waste my time reporting like 3 people every five games or so for things that could be caught by an auto-reporting system
I’m still with OP.
Let’s be fair…which case do you see more often?
The case where toxic people just want to offend you and really wish you would kill yourself, because they are salty or whatever…
or the tactical instruction from your team, giving you the advise to end your life for a team respawn?
And if that’s the case, just write to it: “so we can respawn together”
I mean…you are currently respawning…you have plenty of time to write.
I’m instantly reporting everyone who is writing this into the chat. Just as everyone who is writing “EZ” or “IZI” or anything offensive. And it makes me sad that I had to issue a dozens of reports in a day.
As someone who wanted to commit suicide once, it is never acceptable. It’s not just another insult. You will never know who is on the other end and how broken they are. It can push someone over the edge.
When you’re already having a rough day and you load up Overwatch to go and do something to distract yourself and find some sort of escapism from the stuff you’re dealing with IRL, having some abusive ‘person’ go and directly remind you of the one thing you’re trying not to think about (because they didn’t like how you play a videogame, no less)… it ain’t okay.
I’m a suicide survivor and it doesn’t bother me anymore than any other toxic phrase, tbh. But /shrug, that’s just me.
Grats on getting through that, Crepsly - but not everyone is at that same point.
![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=5" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
I do clarify that I don’t mean IRL, though. XD![:smiley:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=5" ":smiley:")