What Is The Ideal Meta?

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In the name of balance and a positive gaming experience, what is the ideal state of OW?

In other words, who should the top tanks, DPS, and supports be for this game to be in it’s best state?

Mind you as a tank main, my ideology is a little bloated, but I think this game is at its best when Winston and Rein dominate the main tank slot. If Ball or Orisa are high viable, this game goes to hell. With Rein and Winston, Zarya and D.Va need to be vying for the off tank position and “equal” in existence.

From the DPS lineup, Reaper has always been an incredibly fair matchup. He forces awareness from you and your allies, but he must get close to punish you, and if you let him, that’s on you. Cooldowns can be conserved to duel him, but premature usage will often result in you losing to him. But he’s not hitting RNG BS from halfway across the map, and for that reason he feels incredibly fair to go up against. I don’t know that any other DPS in the game feels “fair” to duel. Too many with bloated mobility or bloated RNG. Soldier used to feel very fair to face, but recent buffs have tilted this scale. Still I think he’s the next best hero to be “meta”.

From the support lineup, only one support had ever felt “fair” in their existence.

You guessed it, Lucio. Lucio demands such a high skill ceiling to master, yet can impact matches heavily with either strong mechanics or strong game-sense. He isn’t keeping allies alive forever with broken burst healing, so he’s forcing alot of teamwork for maximum success, otherwise he as an individual must frag out or he’s just throwing. All other supports have been wildly broken at various points in time, or still are quite broken or just pure garbage. While Mercy’s kit feels fair, Rez is just about one of the most “unfair” cooldowns in the game. Even with proper awareness, some heroes lack the CC to stop it, or teammates lack the positional control to stop it (think poke maps like Havana or Junkertown). Of all the remaining supports, Moira is the only one who could arguably feel “fair” to go up against, though I feel as though the other team is at a disadvantage for having a Moira.

TLDR

The “Perfect” Meta

Main Tank-

-Rein/Winston (equal in impact barring a few maps)

Off Tank-

-Zarya/D.Va (mostly enemy dependent with some map dependency)

DPS

-Reaper
-Soldier 76 (just revert weapon spread)

Supports

-Lucio
-Moira

These heroes are the most “Fair and Balanced” Overwatch had to offer. They do not rely on BS RNG, 1-shot or 2 click combos, or any hard CC. Almost all of them have high skill ceilings (be it mechanical or game-sense) which define their success. Getting outplayed by any of them is rarely if ever sheer luck.

These heroes should define the game and dictate every meta.

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Really accurate for tanks.

I’d add ashe and echo for DPS.

Ana, Zen, Mercy are also good for support

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Echo is busted as all get out.

Her beam and Ult are 100% BS.

Ashe has an absolutely scuffed hitbox, a BS Ult, and Dynamite is too much CC. Given that Ashe at high rank play is rarely unaccompanied by Mercy, she’s stupid oppressive on the right map with the right teammates.

Discord is one of the most broken abilities in the game. Zen Volleys rely on BS RNG.

Ana Nade is a free team fight on cooldown. Sleep Dart does too much.

None of these heroes are fair or balanced.

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Her ult literally being… someone else’s ult?

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I would say the current meta, that being Ball-D.Va Sombra-Tracer Brig-Zen. It’s arguably the most difficult composition in the game, so most people don’t know how to make it work, or don’t even try. But the people who build synergy over time will get rewarded heavily. This makes for more map-dependent comps on ladder.

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Ball and Brig are two of the most “unfair” heroes in the game.

Do I need to go into an indepth explanation?

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Eh? Whats wrong with beam and ult? Her beams like a slightly better soldier gun and her ult is really overrated tbh.

I like echo, she’s one of the most difficult heroes, glass cannon, no stuns or knockbacks, no self heals. Just damage and flight.

For ashe the only thing I find sometimes annoying about her is dynamite, but even then I dont rlly care about it.

I love discord, feels so nice to play with. Dont really mind fighting it.

I like ana bc of her nano and she makes things die.

(Btw this isn’t supposed to change ur mind, this is just how I feel)
Also what do u think about mercy?

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It’s a tradeoff in this scenario, as the composition itself is ridiculously hard to play correctly. This is no Double Shield situation, where all of the heroes are getting instant value for no work.

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Also, echos ult requires you to charge it up again, which isn’t always easy to do since you will be focused.

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Beam will suck 200hp from a tank in a blink. It’s absolutely broken, as is her Ult.

You don’t mind Discord because you’re likely at a rank where players lack the teamwork and mechanics to abuse you with it. It makes tanking virtually impossible on some maps in high elo play.

I talked about Mercy. She’s unfair to herself as she depends heavily on teammates to make plays, while Rez is just a stupid and unfair ability to face.

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I need a detailed explanation for why using another heros “fair ult” like Reapers is broken.

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None. The ideal “meta” for Overwatch would be where counters and skill matter, and not who has better numbers.

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Echo beam does 200DPS if the targets below 50%, I mean that’s like 20dps more than soldier bodyshot damage. Not really a huge deal if you ask me. You will die a lot to it, but that’s because you’re already below 50% obviously.

I’m higher elo, don’t rank shame. Zens cool. Yes if you’re like perma discorded it’s kinda annoying, but I just love playing with him so much that it makes up for it. He makes things die like ana which is what I love.

I agree rez is insanely annoying but like I have said before, she makes things die!

Also I’m not trying to change your mind or anything, I’m just stating why I like the heroes I mentioned.

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I agree that Dive is healthy and fair to face, but Ball and Tracer can run a two man Dive in an incredibly oppressive manner with almost no team investment.

This is a far cry from Winston based dive where the off-tank, supports and DPS need to heavily invest into the Dive.

Brig flipping Ball and Tracer some Repair Packs to kill a backline while the other three sing “Kumbia” is less coordination and less healthy for the state of the game than 6 working together with a Winston. That’s all I’m saying.

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I’d say Lucio, Ana and Mercy over Moira. Moira dodges alot of skill curves in this game having the most forgiving kit in the game

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Ashe is fine just make Dyanmite do 75 damage overtime and make coachgun only push her not the enemy and then revert her hitscan fall off

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Perceived meta with no barrier tank is good, for the most part.

There is no safety net, no free values and it feels like more like a fps. Everyone has to perform instead of waiting for someone else to carry.

Of course the average team would still run a barrier or two, but at least it doesnt mean an autoloss for the other team who decides to have fun playing barrierless tanks.

Zen Brig, Zen Lucio seems like the perfect Support combo, they shine with utilities instead of being the healbot, so there s much more nuance and fun to their playstyles.

For dps it s most of the Hitscans (Reaper, McCree, Soldier, Ashe, Widow,) Hanzo, Genji, Tracer, Echo, but i’m just being biased here.

That s my opinion.

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There is no ideal meta. The idea of a meta is anathema to a hero shooter.

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Any tank combo
Any DPS except hanzo/mccree/soldier/ashe/tracer/echo
Any bloody support that doesn’t feel like not having an ana makes the game feel horrid.

Bonk those DPS down so they don’t outshine the entire cast and make ana have less impact and it’s good sailing ahead.

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Winston, Sigma, Reaper, Junkrat, Moira, Lucio