i think they mean that her stream was on push to talk not her voice comms in game
Literally any reason that you would use Push To Talk for anything also applies to Push To Talk for a stream.
Real world situations with people faking their degrees and experience to hold all types of jobs that they have no business in happens all the time. I agree that in this specific case the spectacle arose due to the fact that she was a girl and some people’s sexism. However acting like an Overwatch contenders team is some pinnacle of professionalism and research is just laughable.
We’ve seen even with a premier OWL team(the dragons) that their management and living conditions were terrible, people aren’t infallible just because they have a title attached to their name.
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I could not agree more … unfortunately, I think enough people DO think it’s a height of professionalism that they throw a whole bunch of “verify that you’re a real person” obstacles in front of the one person who just so happens to be a girl.
“Our community isn’t sexist, we just couldn’t accept a girl because she didn’t satisfy these criteria that we abruptly pretended to care about and then forgot about the moment she went away! We are good and have done nothing wrong!”
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People who are calling sexism here are actually delusional. If a guy who was in some way close to a pro player came out of nowhere and placed in the top 5 people would obviously be suspicious. Especially when the footage of the person playing is very sketchy. The only difference is that there would not be even nearly as many people defending the person if it was a guy. In any case, all she had to do is show us a good performance in a contenders game and all the speculation would be over but instead she decides to quit before even playing a game making it even more likely that this was all a ruse.
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Gamer bros don’t like women and they harass them for being good at video games. Simple as that. I follow a top 500 DPS player who’s a woman and she has talked at length about how awful it is just trying to communicate in the game without being harassed. It’s not an exception, it’s the rule.
Geguri was harassed to the point of breaking down during the live stream that proved she was legit. This person was also harassed to the point that it wasn’t worth her sticking around to keep playing. People were literally getting her personal information and hunting her down to yell at her. And some of these guys wanna claim this is because she wasn’t actually good? Shove off. This is just more sexist gamer bros doing more of the same.
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I don’t think the outsiders were being professional or care about professional standards, that’s just sexism(unless I’m interpreting your post incorrectly).
The response to this entire thing has muddied whether it was a ruse or not. People attempting to dox her and threatening her is a very valid reason to not go forward with this. People act like threats and internet people finding out your address, threatening to kill you, swatting is not a big thing when it is actually a very real worry.
If people had just shut up and let the truth play it then the situation would have logically came to it’s own conclusion. Instead they had to resort to threats. If the person really is not who they say they were they would have had to drop out or embarrass themselves on a very public stage. If they are legit and they’ve seen firsthand what the attention brings and wants no part of it then I don’t fault them.
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What’s interesting about this is Jayne even reached out over social media saying he would be willing to have Ellie on the stream to introduce them to the competitive world. So that’s an OWL level coach who has a decent 3k-4k stream and 140k followers willing to do some promo work for ya.
Lets not forget that people don’t tend to just randomly end up in contenders. Odds are a player at that level is looking to go true pro at the OWL level in someway so this strange ducking and only contact by way of what I think was one random friend Ellie was accused of also being (if I rem right) is/was a little strange.
Then the game play wasn’t great in Ellie first stream from the clips I saw, keep in mind we are talking about a top 10 ranked DPS account not even tracking well as tracer. Then later in some other stream I guess there was zero call outs, zero anything outside of real delayed responses. Again, from a top 10 4.6k level player?
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…
keep in mind at that rare air level, everyone pretty much knows every else so it’s pretty hard to come out of no where like that in a game where your peers are less than one percent of the player base.
The door was open also wide open for a HUGE promo hit that might very well have given the Ellie player a real head start on next level pro gaming as a career. So it’s really strange to look like one is chasing a pro level gaming career only to have it start to happen and instantly back away from it?
I’m thinking all of this was a plan that some how got away from a person. Then the team did a bit more digging and found out some details and decided to drop the player.
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I see that even the idea of a woman that can play at a high level is still as triggering to gamerbro culture as ever. Pity. This exclusionary attitude is the greatest hurtle that gaming has yet to overcome.
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She uses push to talk to talk to chat. Not other people in the game, to chat. Her ‘reactions’ are always few seconds delayed.
Time will always tell if such an ‘out of nowhere’ player is the real deal. There’s absolutely no need to go poking for answers and harrass them.
What strikes me as very odd is the fact that somebody was supposedly playing for her and got the account into the top 10 dps. Well, there should be very few players capable of this and if indeed everyone knows each other at that level, who did the playing? Surely, that person must be well-known and you could us tell who it is? Also, why were they not harrassed too?
Consider the possibility of nervousness, anxiety, or even just a bad day.
I’ve seen ‘face reveal’ streams of gamerbros where they played absolute donkeydong compared to their usual form because being on camera for the first time with hundreds or thousands watching kinda got into their head and impacted their performance. It’s particularly hard for shy and introverted people to get used to stuff like this.
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Most don’t even blink at all the GM level streamers who happen to be female. The issue here was a 4.6k top DPS player no one had heard of or seen before in games. That’s higher than some of the OWL level players and you just can’t do that in Overwatch when the player base up there is sub 1%.
It’s not the same as the rest of us where of course no knows us but we are not top ten players in Overwatch.
When I was a top ten CTF (at least stat wise) level player in UT2k4? Yeah, people knew me. Some kid even did an write up about me as an example of team work. I still run into players now in games who remember me from UT, 10+ years later.
So yeah, this Ellie thing was/is strange.
I think the same “who?” would have been thrown at anyone so highly ranked and walking into a top level contender team. Granted a few people did go straight up creeper. I can’t even remotely defend that part of it.
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That does seem to be false. Having watched a woman play at the GM level for about a year it seems that sexism is alive and well in Overwatch. The rest of your content seems to be good old gamerbro apology. I have little time and patience for it.
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Funny, the computer doesn’t care about your gender. If she is that good, why wasn’t she proud to prove it? It’d be so easy to do, and nobody but people like you actually care if she’s a chick or not
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The computer doesn’t care. But when the gender is revealed, oh boy does the angst flow. And it happens every time.
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Every time? like what other time? Nobody cares if she’s a girl. They care if she can play, and instead of proving it she tucked her tail between her legs and ran away. If you can’t put up with some internet rage then you aren’t gonna make it online very long, and internet rage knows no gender or race
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You say angst, I saw a lot of hype (maybe misdirected) over the idea of there being a top level female player.
Yes, a few went creeper and as I said, that’s not ok.
but lets not forget that path to pro is contenders. You’re there to break into the OWL and maybe make 100k+ playing video games for a living. Maybe even get some endorsement deals and be set for life.
I mean is anyone slaving away at high level (top team) contenders with contenders the end goal and it’s just a time killing hobby?
So as I said, when opportunity to launch into orbit starts to pick up some steam it is a little strange to just do a monster back peddle. Being that was sort of the path the player was heading for and the finish line in the first place.
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“My behavior is fine, it is everyone else that is wrong.”
You call that hype? Interesting. Gaming certainly is not a friendly place if you have the “wrong” genitals, our your shirt bulges in the “wrong” place. Yikes.
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I’m still wondering…if the best of the best all know each other, it shouldn’t be hard to figure out who played for her, right? Who is it?
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last time I checked most streamers do not use push to talk to talk to their streams