I mean, true… but wouldnt it be the same as kiriko suzu+tp?
Doesnt mean we need more of them though, having characters have some sort of identities pretty important i think.
Yeah agree, though it doesnt have to be fast is my point, just a viable option, its got some compesation on it being slow, it leaves no trace in between, has a long range and verticality, as long as it has something that lets it be used mid fight without unaliving yourself vs decent players, its likely viable, i think this way it flows on his kit pretty decently.
Its a pretty big “can” though but yeah, at least its got some other uses now, more than one can say about Step.
Support mention, yes, pretty much but shes support though so she gets a free pass.
that’s the exact opposite of my point
shadow step is bad because it’s slow
it’s effectively the only out of combat ability in the game
having one thing similar to another hero doesn’t really make them a near copy of that or those heroes
reaper’s separating factors will always be his shotguns, blossom, and wraith
shadow step is as defining for reaper as widow’s grapple is defining to widow
it isn’t
it’s the one shot, one kill
dunno if id call that a compensation since reaper announces where he’s going right after
although tping on top of yourself for memes is funny, but it really only works once a game
idk about that
roll can get you out of bad spots, reloads, and is on a way shorter cooldown
and im pretty sure at the rate blizzard keeps buffing it, it’s just gonna have iframes soon, making it closer to wraith form, ironically enough
I like the idea of him having a smoke nade or some other ability that helps him a bit because he really needs it. The amount of open space now in the game and how crappy his shotgun dmg is at this point with all the nerfs makes it laughable to even suggest lowering his dmg even more for allowing him to burn through both his cooldowns at once.
Thats a no from me dawg.
Its bad because its slow, leaves him vulnerable on startup, standing still, horribly telegraphed, visually and audiably and to top it all off is still vulnerable after its completed.
But there are ways to compesate it, what if he had around 50% dmg reduction while on it? It wouldnt be so easily exploited by a Widow/damage anymore.
What if you could Shadow Step while invulnerable? Y’know? there are other ways to make something viable rather than speed.
It means you can teleport from cover to cover, wich isnt close from some1 undetected, pretty rare to actually pull it off in most maps but its something.
I mean it moves Cass like 5m, horizontally only and gives him 0.5s of a decent dmg reduction (not even invulnerable), when one of the best uses of the ability is a faster reload, wich isnt even that long to begin with, its pretty hard to say its a good one, cant really kid ourselves there… but at least its useful in Combat so yep.
I dislike the Smoke Nade thing, way too Valo/CS for my liking and barely in character, also Shadow Step was never really good to begin with, would be nice to see Reaper with a strong Shadow Step first before jumping to a new ability, m8.
widow can still line up a 150 dmg shot, meaning you have to wraith back anyways
it makes him more frustrating while not actually addressing any issues in the areas he needs it; ie; a fast engagement tool
would you fix a small hole in the wall with a hammer?
no, right?
it’s the incorrect tool for the job and wouldn’t do anything useful
sorry for the dumb analogy
you already have a defensive ability in the form of wraith, giving him a second one just makes him annoying to deal with in an unhealthy way
???
he uses smoke bombs in his very first cinematic
i also gotta say
reaper’s damage is already nerfed, we don’t need it toned down more
revert his spread changes too
Maybe the Shadow Step ability could change forms when in or out of Wraith mode. For example, outside is a teleport for long distance, roughly what it is now. In Wraith form it transforms to a burst-like dash at a shorter distance (a mix between Moira & new Translocator or something like that). I’d probably make wraith a bit slower for balance sake. So, now you could use it as a way to engage faster, make plays, or escape around a corner a little quicker, but the distance isn’t as far away, it’s visible or telegraphed, so might give people a chance to respond or chase as well. Idk, they could do something fun with it if it’s necessary.
Not always, leaves alot of counterplay ability, he heals himself, dont forget, even on 100 HP hes got a pretty decent chance on a 1v1, specially so if hes got some1 to support him.
And thats like one of the worst situations.
I disagree with the analogy here, its more like a different brand of… whatever the wall is made out of, its like fixing the small hole with a different paint job.
That would make him a more defensive oriented character, as opposed to the more offensive ones like Genji/Tracer/Sombra, thats flavor/identity in my books.
Doesnt he use a grenade launcher? the character changed a bit from then i’d say, still as i said, barely… it still fits his military background or whatever, its just… much more bland of a identity compared to ghost man.
My issue with just making it faster is that it kinda becomes too similiar to other characters, i feel like just “masking” the vulnerable part while in Wraith should be enough to make it viable in way more situations, those where u have both your abilities off cooldown but cant really use one of em.
yeah
is it because where’s he gonna put it?
dude goes through 900 shotguns in a single round in his pocket dimensional cape cloak thing and literally turns into a ghost
reaper doesn’t obey conventional laws of physics
let the man pull out a grenade launcher
the sound alone is fun, nevermind actual utility it would provide
i think the fact you want reaper to be defensive oriented whereas i want him to be more offensive oriented is where we differ, and as such, we probably won’t agree
thanks for keeping it polite, ill see myself out
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His character used to be a bit less edgy ghost thing at first is what i meant but yeah… true, no real point in discussing physics here lmao.
Fair enough i suppose, its less that i want him to just be defensive though, its more… be different from the other flankers wich rely on speed alot more but yeah, lets agree to disagree then.
Kinda sad peeps gotta thank others for being polite out here but hey, you too, have a good one, i’m also bouta headout.
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If you have wraith. The time wasted standing around waiting for cooldown is too great of a cost when your team could be potentially dying in the mean time. This would only reinforce bad decisions.
Just fix TP to be faster and it solves the problem.
What? In no universe does a skilled player mistake Reaper in Wraith form for Reaper not in Wraith form. All they have to do is wait for you to go into the transition animation from Wraith to un-Wraithed and blast you to pieces. You cannot shoot while exiting Wraith form, but you CAN be shot at.
No, you would not. Your Wraith form grants you a 50% movement speed buff that allows you to leave a fight to cover and TP out, so this would literally be pointless to add when you can already do it.
As a matter of fact, it is better to do it the way it is now because it’s a mind game for the opponent not knowing if you’ll TP out or walk away where as doing it in the middle of the open while in Wraith (since it would run out by the time you get to cover more than likely) is so incredibly telegraphed and easy to follow up.
Just fix TP by making it deploy faster.
Because it would be time wasted on something that could be properly fixed, as most “fixes” in this game are.
It really wouldn’t make him any more interesting as Shadow step and Wraith form already exist in the game. The only time you would interact with the new ability is in that 2 second time frame of animation during TP.
An entirely new ability thrown into his kit would make him far more versatile and would allow for more complex combos.
Having the ability to smoke Supports would be an amazing asset of Crowd Control that isn’t as invasive and obnoxious as say the silence from Sombra’s hack or Cass’s Hinder.
Making it obscure the enemy players HUD (by hiding incoming damage markers/Friendly player outlines for the people within the smoke and the trapped players outline from allies outside of the smoke) would enhance the elusive “Reaper in the Shadows” persona that Reaper has been portrayed as having from his Lore/Cinematic appearances.
This also would solve the clunky-ness of TP by making it harder to find within the smoke, while also making it fair for players who kept track of him while in the smoke. This would save them from having to even remotely touch it if they so chose.
That could be a good buff for him bjt it should pause wraiths timer whole hes tping giving him a reliable escape from death sentence senerios
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Is this how they get me back on Hog? Those crafty bastards are out to get me at every turn. Why am I so special? What did I do to deserve this?
I’m not so sure it would be a bad decision to wait for it if it grants you enough benefit for having it up, not to mention there are alot of situations you are sitting on Shadow Step out of cooldown but cant really use it because its so vulnerable, that would fix that.
When you only see the teleport destination, you wouldnt know if hes teleporting while invulnerable or not.
I dont think you realise you woulds still be able to walk for 2/3rds of Wraith Form’s invulnerability, then use the last second to Shadow Step while invulnerable to cover way more ground than you could in that last second.
It would make his kit flow significantly better i think at least.
Theres not much point arguing how effective a smoke is, i just think it might be a tad too tactical shooter and if just given with no other nerfs might just make him a bit too useful.
I think they should first try and have his current kit actually work more often than not, then if nothing works then abandon it and move to something different like a nade or something, Shadow Step still hasnt gotten enough attention from the devs i think.
That way its too similiar to the likes of Genji, Tracer and Sombra, i think giving its own identity is best, why not have it synergize with his current kit instead?
If its not strong enough, they could even reduce its cooldown to 8-6 seconds so its up alot more often in tandem with Wraith, though i think it would be good enough as it is.
I mean even if it doesnt pause it, the biggest vulnerable portion of Shadow Step is on the start so all you would have to do is use the first 2 seconds of Wraith then teleport.
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