What if Doomfist was a tank?

[FrostyDog-1138922]

His current design leaves him very vulnerable while diving enemies as he’s wide open during his slam, after an uppercut and whilst escaping with his punch, plenty of time to get shot down by a McCree for say. On top of that, if he gets stunned out of any one of his 3 abilities during a dive he either a) doesn’t kill his target or b) dies in the process. If doomfist was a dive tank (similar to how Winston works) these issues would be resolved. He could use his slam-uppercut to take out a good portion of the enemies health but need more time to finish them off than what he does now (due to obvious damage cut backs). This would also remove some of the frustration of dying due to one stun, if doom had more health and less damage, he might not kill his target but he’d at least not die trying.

[Watsyurdeal-1478]

He’d probably have his passive reworked, so that he gets shield on kill, rather than on damage. Then he’d have more health, and less lethality.

His power would come from his combos, no one shot needed.

[FruityXNinja-11850]

No

NOOOOO

NUUUUUUUU

@FruityXNinja-11850

You know what

Realistically, I may try a little something in workshop tomorrow

Doomfist

The Best Defense (Passive)

• Successfully landing an attack on an enemy heals allies within a 20 meter radius for 45 + 9% of their max health over 3 seconds //
  (Does not heal Doomfist)
• Passives not triggered by meteor strike will not stack or extend the duration but will restart the duration
• Has a 1.5 second cooldown

Hps for all current max health values

1. 150 Max HP = 19.5 healing per second
2. 200 Max HP = 21 hps
3. 250 Max Hp = 22.5 hps
4. 300 Max Hp = 24 hps
5. 400 Max Hp = 27 hps
6. 450 Max Hp = 28.5 hps
7. 500 Max Hp = 31 hps
8. 600 Max Hp = 34 hps

• Shield decay increased from 3 to 5 shields per second

Hand Cannon

• Damage per bullet reduced from 6 to 1
• Maximum ammunition increased from 4 to 9
• Can optionally do a full reload animation of a 1.35 second duration
• (Automatic) Reload time per shot decreased from .65 to .45 seconds
• Recovery between blasts reduced from .33 to .18 seconds
• Critical event multiplier for headshots is increased from 2x to 2.5x
• Minimum damage from fall-off is increased from 30% to 50%
• Projectile speed is increased from 80 to 100 meters per second

Seismic Slam

• Minimum damage lowered from 49 to 5
• Maximum damage lowered from 125 to 55
• Damage scales 25% faster
• No longer forces Doomfist to leap forward
• Simultaneously grants allies within the targeted area of effect 50 shield health over 1 second decays for 25 shields per second after 4 seconds

Rocket Punch

• Minimum (impact) damage decreased from 49 to 20
• Maximum (impact) damage decreased from 100 to 20
• Minimum (wall) damage decreased from 49 to 5
• Maximum (wall) damage decreased from 150 to 80
• Passing through an ally heals them for a minimum of 20 health and a maximum of 60 health, based on the charge time
• Charge time reduced from 1.4 to .9 seconds
• Movement speed (maximum) reduced from 45 to 34 meters per second twice as fast as guardian angel’s movement speed
• Heal (self) for 35 health per second during cast
• Duration for which the punch can be held increased from .5 to 1.25 seconds
• Cooldown increased from 4 to 5 seconds
• Cooldown begins upon ability activation

kind of necessary to adjust the cooldown since his punch does stun the target

Rising Uppercut

• Area of effect damage application increased from 5 to 7 meters
• Now ignores barriers
• Damage decreased from 50 to 35
• Movement speed increased from 10 to 15 meters per second
• No longer knocks enemies in the air
• Sends out a burst magenta/gold/etc depending on the skin and weapon color ring/aura visible by all allies over a 20 meter radius
• Recovery time reduced from .35 to .1 seconds
• Air lock duration decreased from .6 to .5 seconds
• Increases the maximum lateral and vertical speed including jumps by 30% for 2 seconds for all allies within a 20 meter radius upon cast
• Cooldown now begins at the end of the ability’s duration instead of upon cast

Meteor Strike

• Ultimate cost increased by 24% (1680 to 2080) (may need to be adjusted as this is tremendously lower than sound barrier at 2940 and Rally at 2800 but it’s not like Meteor Strike is very strong)

Some math:

• At an ult cost 2080 and assuming Doomfist will average 11k healing and 4k damage per 10 in a good match as well as passive ult charge, minus a guestimate of roughly 2k healing that will be from his ultimate, Doomfist will average around 7 and half ultimates per 10. Less than Moira averaging over 8 coals per 10 but more Briggite averaging less than 6 rallys per 10 and Lucio averaging less than 5 beats per 10, depending on the comp he plays with and how he plays.

• This makes him superior to most supports in terms of predicted ult generation as Mercy and Zenyatta both average less than 7 ults per 10 depending on her management between healing and damage boost and Zen’s capability to deal damage to more than just barriers. It’s hard to say though, because I don’t know how much this version of Doomfist will be healing or damaging to properly gauge what his ult cost will need to be.

• Applies an upward crowd control effect on all enemies within the area of effect equivalent to Wreckingball’s pile driver in effect

• Damage is replaced with raw healing

• Epicenter radius increased from 2 to 3.5 meters

• Fall-off from the outer ring is decreased from a minimum of 10% to 50%

• Inner ring healing is decreased from 300 to 225 minimum of 225

• Outer ring healing is decreased from 200 to 150 minimum of 75

• Cleanses all allies within the epicenter of all crowd control effects

• Cast time reduced from 1 to .5 seconds

• Heal for 50 health per second over the duration

• Immediately trigger stackable ‘The best defense’ passives upon cast for allies and upon arrival when returning to the map

• Gain a maximum/minimum of 100 shield health regardless of enemies within radius upon completing the ultimate that will decay at the same rate as shields from ‘The best defense’

• Healing and crowd control can still be blocked by barriers

I worked too hard to make him a support already but I’ll make another reply to try and tankify him I won’t try as hard though. He’ll be nerfed to the ground for being another cc/hypermobility tank

[FrostyDog-1138922]

He totally will get nerfed lmao but support doom is acc a really cool idea, can u drop the workshop code?

[FruityXNinja-11850]

Ehem

CEO of listing an unnecessary amount of hero changes coming through

Doomfist

Adds an armor pool of 100

**New total health:armor = 250:100 for a total of 350 hitpoints_

The Best Defense (Passive)

• Shield gain from abilities is increased from 35 to 75
• Shield decay is increased from 3 to 5 shields per second

Hand Cannon

• Damage per pellet increased from 6 to 7
• Ammunition reload time increased from .65 to .8 seconds
• Ammunition count increased from 4 to 11
• Number of pellets per shot increased from 11 to 14

Rocket Punch

• Maximum impact damage reduced from 100 to 60
• Maximum wall damage reduced from 150 to 90
• Cooldown time increased from 4 to 6 seconds
• Movement speed penalty reduced from -50% to -30%
• Charge time increased from 1.4 to 1.5 seconds
• Stun duration increased from .5 to .65 seconds
• Knockback and external slow effects are reduced by 30% while casting
• Recover 1 additional ammunition for every .5 seconds of use

Seismic Slam

• No longer propels Doomfist but instead immediately smacks the ground for a flat 90 damage.
• • Each enemy hit reduces active cooldowns by .5 seconds not including this one
• Adds a .4 second cast time
• Recovery time increased to .3 seconds
• Cripples all affected enemies
• Cooldown is increased from 6 to 7 seconds

Rising Uppercut

• Area of effect is doubled and can affect multiple targets
• • Air lock duration for victims increased from .6 to 1 second
• Cooldown is increased from 6 to 7 seconds
• Recovery time is removed

Meteor Strike

• Cost reduced by 9% (1680 to 1540, on par with shatter and primal)

• Inner ring maximum damage decreased from 300 to 195

• Outer ring maximum damage decreased from 200 to 125

• Enemies within the outer radius are crippled for .75 seconds and have all momentum redirected and magnified at an upward velocity, relative to the world

• Enemies at the epicenter are additionally stunned for an extra .15 seconds and rooted for 1.5 seconds

• Doomfist gains an additional 200 shields when landing

@FrostyDog-1138922

can u drop the workshop code?

Well…I haven’t made it…

But for a reason!

The changes I listed…a lot I can’t actually do. But there are a lot of workarounds that I can do. If you want, I’ll totally make him, but the reason I didn’t bother was because the freedom of support Doomfist was that I could make this melee character less clunky and a lot more fun and fast paced at the cost of his damage since his healing is mostly passive in rotating his cooldowns instead of trying to burst enemies.

• There is a lot I can’t do on my end to make him feel smoother on the workshop, but I will totally make the support Doom if you want me to

As for this tank Doom? I just listed stuff lol, I can’t do anything but the cripple/root effects

[Yin-1797]

@FrostyDog-1138922

His current design leaves him very vulnerable while diving enemies as he’s wide open during his slam, after an uppercut and whilst escaping with his punch, plenty of time to get shot down by a McCree for say. On top of that, if he gets stunned out of any one of his 3 abilities during a dive he either a) doesn’t kill his target or b) dies in the process. If doomfist was a dive tank (similar to how Winston works) these issues would be resolved. He could use his slam-uppercut to take out a good portion of the enemies health but need more time to finish them off than what he does now (due to obvious damage cut backs). This would also remove some of the frustration of dying due to one stun, if doom had more health and less damage, he might not kill his target but he’d at least not die trying.

He’s largely in good shape. Most of the weaknesses you listed are just elements of risk associated with his character and the relative power associated with what he can do. Should he be successful with hits - even if he doesn’t kill - he does pick up a level of shield health that keeps him moderately bulky enough to maintain aggression or get out.