What if Brigitte doesn't use her shield to bash?

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That’s the thing, I’m talking about a whole comp of 6 heroes, you’re talking about 1 of them, D’va has such a high pickrate mainly due to DM, Dive on the other hand was pretty much non existent in lower ranks.

620

Tf2 is a hero shooter, Paladins is a hero shooter and in this game BETTER SHOOTER WINS.

621

Geoff, do not go through with this change please. This is not a good change to be making for reasons I list in the thread I’m linking.

Please, make the change I’ve suggested here instead.

It places brig where she is supposed to be rather than where she is right now, as a backline enforcer instead of a frontline reinhardt abuser, while not giving her special treatment due to the broken nature of her interactions with reinhardt.

622

You’re telling me orisa isn’t useful in high ground situations or control maps with a pit? You’re telling me orissa is terrible for forcing an enemy team to group to a location during an ult securing a multikill almost everytime? Orisa is good, she’s just not meta, relax, i play hamster, and YES he’s perceived as terrible, but he and orisa aren’t worthless they’re just niche. Just like bastion. Ori is also really good at helping her team from afar, while she stands on the payload. She’s not useless, she’s just not top tier. Which is fine.

623

Instead of nerfing characters for the sake of complaints and what you think is logic. Try to buff other characters to come over that challenge or at least have some chance of trying. Doesn’t always have to all about reverting and nerfing.

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Hi Geoff… pretty new to the forums so I hope this feedback is useful. If the barrier change doesnt feel right I have an idea that would keep her strengths while addressing her major frustrations:

TL;DR have brig’s shield bash stun targets with less current health than her and only a slight knockback if they have more health than her at the time of the bash.

626

we must have played a different game then. What does Drogoz’s ult have to do with shooting? What does Lian’s slide have to do with aim? What does Ying’s shatter have to do with aim? What does Lex’s right click have to do with aim? I can go on about this for hours.

627

I understand you had a big back and forth about this, but just to chime in late:

You’re wrong. Her niche is the front line. Her whole kit says it is.

Sorry you misunderstood, fam :+1:

628

Does the loon ranting about Rein and Orisa realize the only reason Rein is getting picked over Orisa is because his ult is better and synergizes with Brig? What would you take with a hero that can stun the enemy shield tank: an AoE stun ult, or a meh damage boost?

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Think is, and this is what I’d consider bad about this change: This needs to apply to Doomfist, too.

For two reasons:

  • One, his charge-stun is just as annoying as Brigitte’s in this regard, for 200HP or less characters more so because they’re dead right away.
  • Second, it’s inconsistent and adds arbitrary - and needless! - complexity for newcomers. Easier to just say “Charges go through shields” vs “Charges get blocked by shields”.

Hence for consistency, apply the same to DF’s and Reinhardt’s charge and it’s fine.

One remaining issue would be how this further promotes Reinhardt instead of Orisa, in the face of CC, when Orisa was meant to be the anti-CC tank.

630

As a Brigitte main (A former Rein main) since her debut, this constant killing of her kit is making her more and more unplayable.

When she was introduced by Jeff Kaplan as a way to deal with quote “that annoying Tracer or Genji killing your back line support units unchecked”.

If these changes go live, Brigitte will be the worst Support Unit by far…yes,even worse than that other Heroine you killed…Mercy.

Let’s break down Brigitte to the current day shall we.

-She has limited range of damage dealing, the worst in the game.
-Her healing is the weakest of all the Support units.
-She’s not “Tanky” enough to be classed as a Support/Tank Hybrid as Kaplan coined her.
-Her Ultimate is only average at best, since the nerfs.
-The one ability that defined her is now non-existent Shield Bash useless in current state.

With all that said, I don’t know how a Brigitte can be a viable pick in any match. She is at too great a disadvantage to provide anything to your team. And that’s not how a “Primarily Support” Unit should be slotted as.

Only thing I can see working is if you totally rework her entire kit. Start fresh, thinking SUPPORT first; a strong stabilizing force on the battlefield.

631

I like the body slam idea. I don’t think Shield bash needs to stun to be impactful. Maybe it could knockback and do more damage instead. Ash from Paladins has a shoulder bash that knocks back with a large travel distance:

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632

Simply switching the effects between Shield Bash and Rocket Flail would resolve the problem almost entirely, without even needing to tweak the damage numbers. Put stun on the flail and knockback on the bash.

  • Flail is already blocked by barriers, so no more abusing reins or anything else behind a barrier.

  • Flail requires lowering her shield to use, so there is inherent counterplay, and requires a modicum of skill, so she could miss.

  • Bash would (should?) go through shields, and could be used to reposition tanks (without stunning them) to create openings in team fights.

  • Bash would be a better finisher or gap closer to targets anyway, and imagine the ragdoll effects if they die from it :wink:

  • Bash is a more reliable disengage than flail, and would certainly be more useful for peeling (imagine knockback on an ulting Genji instead of stun, preventing dash reset).

  • Cheeky environmental kills would require being much closer and out of position, so less frustration there.

  • Like all the other charge mechanics in the game, she would still be knocked down if hitting a charging Rein or Doom, so fair and consistent.

It’s lore friendly and more physically realistic. You would expect a rocket-powered shield slam to send people flying, and you would expect a flail to the head to stun somebody. I’d love to be able to test this on PTR!

Edit: And most importantly, this would give Tracer a fighting chance while still permitting a Brig combo to kill her. Like Hog, a Brig would have to land a skillshot Flail on a Tracer (no easy task) and then a whisk plus Bash, or a Bash and hope it doesn’t knock her outside of whisk range. Either way, it’s more than fair to Tracer and would introduce real counterplay between them, while still allowing for a combo.

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633

That’s a really neat idea! :+1:

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