I know how people on this forum feel about the opinions of professional players and/or streamers, but I’ve gotta say… I read SureFour’s post about AoE heals, and I’ve gotta say, I agree with the man on this one. It got me thinking: does Brig really need inspire? Could it not be replaced with something else? I think that could go a long way in helping the AoE heal problem.
What do you guys think? Is Inspire integral to Brig’s kit? Hypotheticallly speaking, if it was removed, what would you replace it with? I’m just kinda spit balling with this topic, if you haven’t noticed. What do y’all think?
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If Inspire was removed, she’d be weaker in her capabilities to be an anti-flanker and she’d have no reason to fight anymore.
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Nothing is integral to any kit according to the devs
She could equally remove her shield and tbh, people would probably prefer that
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If they removed inspire, they’d have to increase her single target healing somewhat.
Perhaps give her a fourth repair pack. People would then start complaining about her “pocket potential.”
There just is no winning with Brigitte haters.
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And she already has no reason to exist
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It’s the only thing making her a healer so no she needs buffs let’s not nerf her again
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I’d say, brig is still balanced.
She does not need buffs, she does not need nerfs.
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The problem is that while fighting Brig puts enemies on her screen, while using the packs she puts allies. It’s like you have to be aware of both stuff to get max value out of her.
If inspire was removed, she’d be a risky duelist for low reward. Shield Bash would be the only biggest value since she has low damage already.
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if they removed inspire shed be pretty weak unless they made her E even more OP and reverted the truck ton of nerfs she took so that she wouldn’t immediately die to everything.
Melee and short range heroes either have some sort of health buffer (Brig, Doom, WB), higher health/defense (Rein, D.va), or higher mobility (Genji).
I don’t think its possible to not have any of the above and be usable in the slightest without a pocket healer. And a self heal ability would probably only feel janky on her.
Also, with all that extra power dumped into RP shed feel even more polarizing than before. Distributing her heals between the 2 makes sense. Zen doesn’t have that issue because damage is a big aspect of his design and he doesnt have to be up in the fight to maximize his usefulness.
Yes. It keeps getting changed though.
Are you removing self-inspire, too? Might as well delete her. Better question: how is 21hps that is only up maybe half the time so oppressive that you can’t focus fire through it?
Obviously it isn’t in a vacuum, but that means trying to solo kill someone goes from a 3 shot to a 4 shot, if you only hit body shots. If you have chosen to ignore what the rest of your team is doing and go off by yourself, and if you choose to attack someone receiving support while you are not, and if you simply cannot hit a headshot…it’s still only one more shot. So even if you completely bot out in every aspect of the game, if you hit your shots, you still win.
Ooooor, just focus fire and this isn’t remotely an issue. Also, how is it Brig is the focus of this conversation? Lucio had better AoE that can be up 100% of the time. Just…doesn’t…make…sense.
But ok, so if we were to get rid of inspire, then what? They stated clearly they want her to be a main healer(maybe that’s changed), in which case, you just need to make her a healing station with repair pack. We’ve now made her primary purpose totally unengaging.
If you make her an off-healer, then maybe she’s more fun? Give her more offensive ability like Zen? Probably needs a massive buff to her shield if you’ve removed self-inspire as well.
But my guess is if you remove inspire that she ends up an off-tank with a whole new kit. I’d be ok with it.
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What do I think?
Don’t listen to pros.
The only reason AOE heals are so good is cause single target is garbage. Adjust the numbers on them to balance them out more (slight hit to all AOE heals, slight buff to all single target heals) and then see where we’re at.
And Brig without Inspire isn’t Brig. She’s had her whole kit designed around the whole ‘Paladin’ archetype. Her being in the frontline and protecting/healing hear allies is her thing, and always will be her thing. Inspire is the main reason she can get on a fight and stay there.
Brig with no Inspire would just make her a backline support, like nearly all the other healers in the game. Brigitte is unique, and she should stay unique. Just cause one pro said ‘uh, aoe heals bad’ doesn’t mean they should remove an ability from the game.
Besides, what else would you even give her? Her overhealing was ‘too good’, so she couldn’t have that. A speed boost would be too strong with a Lucio, providing they stack which knowing Blizzard, it would. An aoe damage boost buff would be ridiculous. A slow wouldn’t work, maybe Inspire could instead provide mitigations, but then that can come into conflict with Bastion, Orisa and Ana’s nano (need I remind you about Bastion’s old passive?), so mitigations would be kinda funky to implement for an aoe ability. A slow cleansing effect, maybe, but that’d be way too niche.
Can we please just leave Brigitte alone now? Like, seriously, she’s already had the Mercy treatment. Just let her be for a tick before we try anything else with her.
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Short of putting her repair pack as her only heal and just giving it like a 2-3 second cd or something. So she just spams healing really. It would make her play a lot less fluid I guess but more active if that makes any sense? At that point, she might just turn into a pure heal bot and flail occasionally.
A different 2nd healing skill.
Brig cannot exist as a healer slot with her ONLY healing output being 330hp per 18 seconds across 3 targets max, that’s pitiful
And that’s assuming you only use repair kit when people can get the entire amount and none goes to waste
Inspire is probably the best heal ability in the game… when it’s active.
If you took it away, it would absolutely shatter Brig.
But on the flipside, maybe we should take the opportunity to reclass Brig. Take her from support and put her in as a tank.
200HP, 150Armor. 600HP Shield. Shield Bash dmg back to 50. Shield stun back to 0.9 second. Flail damage up to 45.
Inspire changes from healing to damage mitigation - 20% damage reduction to herself and allies while active.
Repair pack reduced back to 1 - keep some of her pocket healing flavour. She can also use it on herself.
(Modifying to add more text because I posted accidentally in a different thread just a moment ago).
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Unless … dealing damage reduced the CD of the Repair Pack
That would encourage fighting for sure.
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right now inspire is integral to her kit because shes balanced to be high hps healer so its near required for that.
personally I think she never needed inspire, in fact when it was released, it did so little and was blocked by being on inclines I swear it was a last second addition to justify her being a support.
Ive also advocated for its removal since her release, as well as nerfing her overall healing, because of this, going down the support route has been the dumbest idea blizz has ever doe since thinking moth mercy was actually balanced.
if you want to get rid of it it would require a complete rework that moves her away from being a support character and more towards a peel type character more along the lines of an off tank which is the original pitch for the character.
I wouldnt give her a new ability I would shove that spare power into other parts of her kit, her dmg output, her cooldowns reduced etc but thats only because I dont want her to be a support
Inspire is something like 20 HPS, I don’t think it’s on the same level as Moira or Bap’s healing.
That would be a cool and fun mechanic, though. If Inspire did get the snip like Repair armour, or changed to only self-healing, I wouldn’t be mad if it was replaced with this.
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If we removed Inspire she would need buffs to her survivability and some form of self healing.
That being said it isnt impossible. She could be Uther of Overwatch.
First Repair pack would need lower cooldown and also give Briggite 50 health for every pack used.
Second she would get second Ability placeholder name : Golden Wind - it would travel like earthshater on ground in cone for 10 m and anyone standing on it would get reduction to incoming damage -20%.
Thirdly she would get her shield to 300 hp and 3 secon regen after break.
And last but not least 50 dmg per swing of her flail.
Lets remove Widows sniper rifle. Oh, and Tracers blink! Also Reins shield!
Imagine that. But no its Brig, so lets just completely ruin her for no reason at all.
“I know how people on this forum feel about the opinions of professional players and/or streamers”
Yeah, I wonder why…