So tired of seeing people who think that healers are just heal bots and if we do anything even 1 damage we’re considered a “trash healer not performing our role properly”
like why is this the only game that doesn’t respect that healers do more than just heal?
We literally have multiple healers who can do damage when not needing to heal, and we have multiple healers who have “free damage” such as Lucio and Baptiste.
For example if you throw a heal grenade as Baptiste you can then fire a few bullets before you can throw the next grenade which is FREE damage as he is giving up nothing to be able to fire those few bullets.
Moira players get this the worst though, because her purple beam is very noticeable compared to bullets etc coming from the other supports.
Salty dps that also think tanks should do less damage than dps (and they mostly do.)
But they also say heroes that don’t do the dps are “boring” so I dunno what they’re gonna do when OW2 comes out and tanks/supports both get more killing potential because that’s what appeals to dps players…
You should have a priority on healing, it’s the only role that can do it.
That said, you are throwing if you never deal dmg as support
OK not littleraly throwing but you are basically afk
Similar to all roles not attacking shields or mei walls, turrets
Yeah mega old Moira so many people would healbot as it was pretty easy to keep all their heals… but now they basically just brought it back again by giving half a bar after ult lol
Well we already have Baptiste, he deals pretty good heals AND higher damage than most of the support heroes lol
So, I guess Baptiste is a good example of what we could expect, which I’m not looking forward to. If someone has good heals, they should be punished with low damage (Moira - Good heals, low damage and then Zen is opposite low heals, high damage)
I can just speak for myself, after countless posts where created regarding “asking for heals” beeing kinda toxic, I for myself just expect my supports to know when I need healing, while it’s my job to stay healable.
But I get more mad about supports helplessly jumping around(looking at you mercy) instead of using theyr dmg to help peel for themselves. That genji just needed 10dmg more on him…, if the support is the target, no healing on your dps will make you live longer
OK, there is the dps moira, using fade and dmg orb to engage in a 1v1
On the receiving end it just feels great to win, terrible to lose. Especially since any support can make that flanker moira useless.
Probably from people deliberately treating the role as if they’re DPS, not saying it’s justified but I’d imagine that plays a part
Not to mention a common trait of bad DPS players is to pin their death on their healers and not their poor positioning, though I’ve had a GM DPS player abuse me for not getting Lucio’s ult fast enough so it never really stops as they get better, just their ego gets worse
That’s why i play Zen as Support most of the times, i love to help the dps and be able to save them if they have issue with the enemy team also his ult is a savegame
The healer debate began LOOOoooooong before Overwatch. I cannot accurately say when but I speculate it started during the founding of the class system. Back during the time of dice and satanism…nay, mayhaps, ages prior…
Whenever I’ve told people they should be doing some DPS between heals etc, or that healers can do DPS as well… they act like I am telling them to go DPS on support, like they don’t really understand what I mean by it…
It’s like telling a Reinhardt who thinks he is just a shield to swing his hammer tbh… and I’m sure we’ve all had one of them on our team before who does nothing but hold the big rectangle cause they think that is all tank does lol. I seen clips of Reins getting attacked by heroes like Lucio/Brig/Moira and they just stand there with their shield up moving their shield around trying to stop the person attacking them, when they could have swung their hammer at them.
or you just wasted ALL your healing on them and your orb/coal and they died cause focus fire, then after they watched the kill cam they see you in spectator doing some DPS to get your healing back “MOIRA WHAT ARE YOU DOING? BRUH SHES DPS”
Stupid toxic attitude and little understanding of survival without barrier in face and constant healing in the back…keep complaining bout heals.
A support has to support…means diffrent things.
A good support like mercy prevent death in the right moment or even rez, but should focus more to dominate the teamfight by correct damage boosting.
same with zen… but he is a additional backline dps
lucio is about fast supiror positioning and start wanted fights faster…boops for peel and some time disturb widow
moira shines wirt aoe heal…and finish low healt targets off…and good escapes…but backline hunting wirt moira is most if them time vasted ressources…cause she should do both …not possible behind enemy lines.
ana has so much teamfight winning potential by nade and ult cancel power… but her heal is very effectiv for diving friends and there for needed…
your support hast to manage both jobs…prolong team fights and speed them up…but its also true…some supports sometimes…maybe because they are toxic do neither by just play like playing tracer or genji.
I am grateful for the existence of replay system because this way, we can check the our whole teammate and judge who’s not doing well.
Like recent game, the Moira in my team prioritize sucking instead of healing, and every time her heals always came late, when teammates are already dead. We had a hog on point and 2 healers (Mercy and Moira) and only Torb turret and Torb, but yet somehow Hog still died. Like how lmao
I suppose, but whenever I have told people they can DPS with supports they immediately believe that I’m telling them to abandon their role as “healer” and only DPS, which I just don’t get, cause that’s the opposite of what I explain to people.
OMG this is actually very stressful, and then it’s EVERYONE ELSES FAULT lol. NGL… I see this happen more with the hero you mentioned, and rarely seeing them get out the pistol, they begin jumping around, and strafing. I saw a clip on twitter recently of a Moira who was attacking a mercy and she just ignore the Moira the whole time and just kept strafing, yeah A + D spam is not gonna stop that person killing you lol.
I’m assuming they were low rank Moira or she ran out of heal cause the turret lol
it hurt to see people play so bad with Moira, like really hurts me…
at least the hog was on ur team… and ur Moira wasn’t going off to fight the impossible VS a roadhog that makes me sad the most watching someone who took Moira from me… go 1v1 a roadhog which is an impossible fight unless he’s mega low
I’m guessing that this is something that got started from my topic where the droplets of feedback towards supports doing the DPS thing spilled the bucket over and here we are
Let’s get this straight: Everyone expects you to do more than heal because it’s tied to your kit. Everyone expects Lucio to speed boost, Bapo to make saves with his lamps and contest visible opponents when there’s a lot of space, Ana to nade and sleep opponents, Zen to discord targets and shoot them, Brig to stun boop and peel, Mercy to pocket damage boost targets, and Moira to… well there are some sweep and initiation situations where the purple orb is better I guess
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The thing is that everyone also refers to these things when they say that supports should focus on healing. These are default. They’re always expected. They’re the norm. Nobody is expecting supports not to do these things
What everyone strictly refers to when “healers aren’t healing/focusing on healing” or “healers should only heal” refers strictly to supports over-committing to doing DPS/flank stuff just out of gratification, even if it has the potential to cost the game for the entire team. It strictly refers to supports neglecting what’s necessary for the team in terms of healing while committing to the opponents, which is much less valuable and directly detracts the chances of the team to win the game. Healers who tunnel vision DPSing and finishing off opponents that their DPS who are also focusing on the same target end up trading with the opponent just because the healer didn’t want to heal them and let them DPS the opponent down and instead joined in on the DPS stuff
In short:
Nobody complains about supports doing their job and using the tools available for them in the correct way or sometimes making a mistake while trying to do the right thing. Whenever someone complains they’re complaining about somebody doing some naive stuff out of pure personal gratification and self-interests even when it comes at the expense of their teammates
EDIT:
Read above. I already explained. When a healer is told to focus on healing it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t DPS at all, but at the same time at no point does a support reach a considerable damage output to be considered DPS without committing to it which is soft-throwing outside those key moments, that fall within the expectations of Healers to begin with. Even when Ml7 does this he focuses on key moments where he doesn’t need to heal. If he needs to heal he 100% will heal rather than DPS. That’s why healers shouldn’t be doing DPS primarily
partially yes, but not 100% it was just a long time thought in my head cause it’s happened so many times where people have said that healers shouldn’t be doing DPS…
I said why not both and gave you some great examples of heroes who can perform both role at the same time, but then you acted like I was telling you to DPS as and not heal. LOL
Support can both heal and damage and perform both amazingly at the same time, just accept it bruh go watch ML7 play Baptiste, you will learn so much from it if you think support only heal.
it hurt to see people play so bad with Moira, like really hurts me…
that makes me sad the most watching someone who took Moira from me… go 1v1 a roadhog which is an impossible fight unless he’s mega low