What are some good ways to tell if ppl are soft throwing in your group

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(also, I was replying the original creator to know what they meant. I think forums auto replies to the last comment as well)

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well yes discreet or soft throwing is throwing and i report it as such, the only diffrence is that one is harder to notice so its called soft throwing, at least thats what i thing

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no i just toght you replied to me, sorry

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Let’s appreciate that this post is actually bringing a discussion in a forum where we like to complain most of the time.

Keep it up OP.

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Sometimes the definition of soft-throwing by even some peeps in this forum is like literally using a hero they aren’t used to or are not maining… period.

So, to those people, you mean to tell me… that if there’s a Pharah or even a Pharmercy, the other player in my team sucks at playing Zen (or so he/she says) and I want to give it a shot and switch to Zenyatta, despite that my Moira play-time dwarfs my Zen play-time, is soft-throwing despite that Zen, even on a defensive state, counters a Pharmercy since Transcendence outheals the damage of Rocket Barrage, and I am actually performing well? Well, f**k you, suck a c#$k, and I’m tired of having to switch accounts to play different roles. Thank you private profiles, its made it easier for me to flex to other heroes… HEROES… of even the same role despite sometimes having a different sub-role. Because this community has some of the most outrageous people who want people to play their mains so hard that even a hundred hours on Zen vs a thousand hours on Moira is considered throwing if you play as Zen. F&&k those kinds of people.

You wanna know what soft-throwing really looks like? Here’s what counts, though the list can be longer:

1.) A Mercy not fully committing to healing despite that the enemy team does not give a crap about her existence. I.E. 10 HP Genji needs healing, only heals him up to 100… despite no one else needs healing.
2.) A Lucio who boosts only on speed. Will heal you… slowly… with no boost.
3.) A Zenyatta who doesn’t discord at all.
4.) A Reinhardt who (more than twice) intentionally drops his shield when everyone has noticed that his shield isn’t even showing cracks.

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If you say Mercy not healing is soft throwing but soft throwing is harder to notice…where is the correlation? You’re making no sense.

You can clearly notice your mercy not healing. 'Oh look I’m Genji I’m 10 HP, heal me mercy
Mercy: stands in a corner or is busy whipping pistol out and shooting then you can clearly notice.

But at the same time, she may be distracted and thinking she’s helping the team by killing while in all honesty, she should be healing. That would help the team more.

The only real throwing is actual throwing. Because like someone else said ‘throwing’ is an intentional act to lose a game.

You can’t really tell if the mercy is not healing bcos she thinks she’s trying to help or bcos she purposely doesn’t want to heal.

It’s easy to notice bcos if she’s shooting; she’s doing something. If she’s not: she’s throwing. You can’t fail to spot a thrower

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if she is shooting her pistol insted dmg boosting or trying to heal, thats not throwing ?
There is a time and place for her gun but not really when you have team fight going on, or someone on 10 hp

so if you are doing somthing you are not throwing ? So genji diving in enemy team and dying evry time since he cant 1v6 is ok?

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This discution about soft throwing or some different levels of throwing just blow my mind.

Throwing is when you want to loose the game on purpose by doing everything you can, like juping of the map, going intentionnally to the enemy so they can kill you.
-> Throwing is when you want to loose.

Others things like, playing poorly, underperforming, not switching to a counter, playing only one hero, picking a 3rd or 4th dps
-> Is not throwing.

It’s even writen by blizzard in highlight in the report menu.
It’s just that some people are too obsessed by their SR and victory that they don’t want to understand. They are just frustrated players who want to punish a bad performance by labelling it “throwing”.

The Soft throwing word just make me laugh.

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It’s still the term used though. Just because I agree that soft throwing isnt throwing and know it can’t be reported doesn’t mean people don’t want to avoid teaming with people who are having an off day.

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We all want to avoid playing with someone who is bad.
But you can’t do that.
You can only know someone is underperforming when the game already started.

If some people can’t accept this reality and can’t deal with it, then online cooperative video games aren’t for them.

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At the top of the ladder there are very few players and allot of them play for very long periods of time. So the streamers playing there will actually see a difference in using “avoid player” on those they think are tilted and delaying their queue if an entire team seems off. The chance of running into them on following matches is very high.

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Throwing is when you want to loose the game on purpose by doing everything you can, like juping of the map, going intentionnally to the enemy so they can kill you.
→ Throwing is when you want to loose.

Soft throwing is when you want to lose but not get reported for it like playing poorly, underperforming, not switching to a counter, playing only one hero, picking a 3rd or 4th dps

Not throwing is when you want to win but maybe playing poorly, underperforming, not switching to a counter, playing only one hero, picking a 3rd or 4th dps

Since you cant know if they want to win or loose, you can either report them or not

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Yes that’s the key difference. I understand the Soft-throwing case.

Exactly, since you can’t know (most of the time) if they do that on purpose or not, you have no proof to report them.

EDIT: what i want to say is it’s pointless to wast energy in trying to track a soft-thrower. You just have to deal with it, and don’t let that defeate raise your tilt level.

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since you arent punished for wrongly reporting, its going to happen anyways

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Uhm, no

the definition of the term “throwing” in the context of this game includes the term “intentional”

You cant unintentionally intentionally underperform

intentionally underperform = throwing

unintentionally underperform = not throwing

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That is not up to you to decide. Yes she’s supposed to be healer but like I said, she might think she doing more good. It may be throwing but it’s not intentional on her part. She’s trying to win at the end of the day. Even if it’s not how you want. So she’s not throwing… at least not intentionally.

Genji diving in an enemy team and 1 v 6ing, if they pulled off a 6 man kill, would you be shouting throwing? Yes it may be throwing or trickling but again it’s not intentional.

Intentional throwing are

  1. sitting in spawn purposely avoiding playing.
  2. jumping off the map to kill yourself purposely if your team mates are still alive. Jumping off the map after a team fight and you’re the last man left is not throwing obviously.
  3. leaving a game intentionally. Disconnects from blizzard and power/Xbox trips do not count…
  4. healer, dps, tanks purposely not doing their jobs. Like the case with mercy. If she’s in a corner not doing her job, she’s throwing. If she’s fighting with a pistol, it’s foolish but shed trying to help. I won’t call that throwing. At least not until I’ve called her attention to healer and she still refused.

For me personally, throwing is when you are actively not trying to play or win. If you’re using a hero youre not good at, everyone can play who they want. Props for trying. If you’re fighting instead of healing, props for trying and engaging but heal us. Definitely doesn’t warrant a report. 1 v 6ing, at lot of people are lost. I don’t know what to call that but props for trying.

Setting your teleporter near a cliff where people can fall out the map, throwing.
Placing torrets just sitting on it where you know you wont kill anyone, like way outside the choke on Hanaruma…throwing.
Still fighting as a healer after you’ve seen my and the teams low health, throwing.
Seeing a pharah as soldier and not killing her and instead chasing a RoadHog…throwing LOL.
I’m not quick to judge. Just do your part. There’s are only obvious throwings. Everything other thing isn’t.

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the problem is you dont know that they do try to win, what if they do know what they are doing is bad for team or they just want to lose and so the will not heal but be dps healer

my point is you dont know if they are playing like that becuse they are trying to win or are they trying to lose

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Well you’re right. But neither do you.
I suggest you try enjoy your game. And leave them.
If you dont have a secondary healer, you can try switch. Complain less. It helps

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i play zen mainly
i dont really complain, since i dont use chat, but i do report if i think sombody is trying to throw

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Well do what you want then I guess. It’s all good.