It’s the paradox where if you weaken an individual barrier, it just increases the need for another barrier to compensate for the barriers being weakened.
Unless you keep nerfing until the critical point where the barriers are so useless that stacking them has no point and each tank by itself will be useless.
Sigma’s shield was so easy to relocate, it was why he made double shield so strong.
Sig’s shield can cover whatever blindspot the other shield tank has.
adding the cooldown made double shield harder to rotate. it left holes in the double shield defense.
Yeah. Honestly, we should just revert all the way back to before the whole barriers overhaul, and just give Orisa and Sigma nerfs to stuff like Accretion & Halt (and some damage) rather than having gone through this whole snafu which has wrecked the tank population and absolutely just murdered tank diversity.
The one weakness Double Barrier sorta had was close-range brawling, so why did the devs buffs Orisa and Sigma’s close-range brawling? It’s not like nerfing the barriers makes them less valuable unless, as you say, you pretty much make them altogether irrelevant. If there was any way to make sure that Double Barrier was more oppressive at the top end, it was that tank overhaul. So, instead of nerfing their barriers and then murking them because that wasn’t the right thing to change, why not just call a Mulligan and nerf their brawling so they’re incentivized to rely on off-tanks?
Is that not what it currently is…?
Which it is, more so than Orisa’s and definitely more than Rein.
Its really not that bad. Its sucks 1000 × more that Sigma is bad against beams and melee
You try to put up your barrier and notice the rein is being sus. Try to block it but he was waiting for that 1 sec cooldown opening. Or not use your barrier and leave your team with a barrier until Rein feels like shattering.
1 second can be long in Overwatch time.
Mmmm rein likely to hit the floating dutch man with big german hammer. Yeah unless you have a Zarya you’re kinda doomed once you are in swinging range. Same with Sym beams, either you keep the shield away from her, never use the shield or charge Sym’s beam.
Rein’s Shield is on demand and more durable.
Orisa’s shield has less hp while less flexible in exchange for theoretically the best uptime.
Sigma’s sits in the middle where you’re better off using Rein if you want better on demand shielding as he can work as fast as the player can for rapidly relocating barriers to block threats from multiple angles, but you’re better off using Orisa if you plan on Hunkering down and holding point.
The “nerf” is so that double barrier never happens again. The buff is so that he is more of a main tank design again.
He doesnt need that, all he needs is the CD reduced or removed
And double barrier wont happen again with how much Barriers got nerfed, also that theres heroes that can plain ignore them
IF THEY FREAKING STOP NERFING DF FOR BEING VIABLE FOR ONCE
You realize that’s true of every non-Rein barrier tank, right?
Even longer CD on his barrier would just make him less unique and less fun to play. Tbh id rather he was left in F tier than this sort of ‘buff’ then.
I don’t think that would work. Sigma being able to deploy an insta-shield before was why it got re-done in the first place.
Sigma has no mobility when it comes to stopping rein. If his shield is down his only second bet is hope his rock hits him and that is very very low. Winston can use bubble and sometimes rein’s are not the most perceptive, no one really see Winston bubble as that one bubble you always use to hide in depending on it’s use and Winston can leap away so at least he is out of the cross fire.
Orisa can use fortify to block some of the shatter if her shield is offline.
Then they’ll both be F tier for a long time. Unless Rein and Winston gets banned, then it will just be double barrier matchups all the way.
It was 1500. But honestly in the state he’s in now, 1200 would still be better.
Also Orisa can use Halt to try to pull Rein behind her barrier as a backup.
Sigma is the tank most countered by Rein.
There are other buffs that could at least be tried before suggesting something like long shield CD. Lower shield CD, more hp, some versatility buff to Grasp etc.
Anything that’s not a cd increase buffs double barrier
Double Barrier wouldnt work has before and i wont bother repeating why
Orisa has the deal with this too, if it it what I think it is.