Was the Mercy rework a Success?

BadWidowEU-2419 · August 9, 2018, 9:52pm

Garbage Mercy player pretending to act like they know how to efficiently play Mercy. What’s your point?

Ginger-12314 · August 9, 2018, 9:53pm

Sure, when you cherrypick an example where it happens to work out, it looks strong. But that happening outside of 2CP last defense was extremely rare.

Clonedpickle-1983 · August 9, 2018, 9:53pm

Yep, a smart team would bait out the rez then use ults to clean up.

Arcalias-2773 · August 9, 2018, 9:59pm

You never mentioned counterplay, and these ults “require one button to kill [an] entire team WITHOUT strategy or effort”.

NeonLight-21797 · August 9, 2018, 10:03pm

You could add
Genji Draginblade
McCree Deadeye
Soldier Tactical Visor
Hanzo Dragonstrike
Doomfist Meteor Strike
Pharah Barrage
and many more ults that could clean up after res easily.

But no that requires too much brain activity so lets complain and get the most loved hero in the game reworked and nerfed 13 times

Arcalias-2773 · August 9, 2018, 10:05pm

I found you something you might want to consider.
Happy reading !

Why I Have Yet to Not Despise Mercy's Current State

Moving onto “Hide and rez” …

“We think it’s wrong to tell a main-healing character to go off and hide somewhere and stop healing for some period of time.”

But it is fine for a main-damage character to go off and hide somewhere and stop dealing damage for some period of time, like many heroes currently do in preparation for an ultimate?

In actuality, you are right; just not for the reason you think you are. You are correct because hiding was maladaptive for the team’s chance of victory, and therefore was a bad way to play her. Allow me to explain this in an even more elaborate manner than my past few megaposts.

The success of a mass-Resurrection (4+ revived players) depended upon several factors:

The Mercy’s ability to survive and execute the ability in the first place (the obvious one).

The number of players alive on each team after the Resurrection.

The number of available ultimates held by each team after the Resurrection (but primarily the enemy team).

The shock value of Resurrect against the enemy (by far the most important factor for the post-rez fight).

The last factor is more important than the other two post-rez factors because it determines what other factors need to advantage the Mercy in order to have a good chance at a successful Resurrection. As the enemy team is given time to reorganize and fire their first attacks at the newly Resurrected team, they would already have a positioning advantage and the first shot… that is, if the team was expecting the Resurrection.

If the enemy team is expecting the Resurrection, they will have the post-rez advantages of the first shot and additional positioning time. Of course, this is a very bad situation to be in for the newly revived team, requiring some very strong advantages of their own to compensate and have a chance at winning the fight. In this case, they would need both the numbers advantage and the ultimate ability advantage.

If the enemy team isn’t expecting the Resurrection, then the Mercy could probably get by with either the numbers advantage or the ultimate advantage and still have a chance at winning, as the enemy team might not capitalize on their positioning and first shot opportunities as well as they should due to the shock value of Resurrect.

How does “Hide and rez” fit into all of this, you might ask? Hiding before the fight removes the possibility of having enough of those advantages against the enemy team in the post-rez fight, and therefore any chance of a victorious post-rez fight against any team of similar skill.

Hiding leaves the initial fight to a 5v6, the missing hero on the Mercy’s team being the main healer and primary source of sustain. Obviously, this is a huge advantage for the team of 6 in the first fight, allowing them to steamroll over Mercy’s team with likely zero casualties, and ultimate expenditures used only to counter any of the opposition’s ultimates. On top of this, the team of 6 also now collectively has 2000-3000 more ultimate charge from killing 5 players in addition to any healing dealt over the duration of that fight. Thus, it hands the ultimate ability advantage to the team opposing the Mercy.

The opposing team, assuming they are paying even the slightest attention to what is happening around them, would notice that the enemy is crumbling very easily for a supposed 6v6, raising suspicions as to whether or not the fight really is a 6v6, quickly leading to the realization that the enemy Mercy is missing from the fight. From this, only one conclusion could logically be drawn; she’s waiting to use Resurrect. There goes the ultimate’s shock value.

At this point, even if the team of 6 somehow managed to sustain 2 casualties in the initial fight, it won’t matter. If both teams entered the fight with the same number of ultimates, the team that does not have the hiding Mercy has at least two more ultimates than the other team (2000+ ultimate charge, Mercy’s team used Resurrect). One or two offensive ultimates is the absolute maximum a team needs to wipe a freshly-revived team when they are expecting the Resurrection, resulting in the revived team staring down the barrel of a gun they have no chance of avoiding.

In contrast, a Mercy who stays with her team keeps the fight at a 6v6, granting her team more sustain and forcing the enemy to expend ultimates to overpower them. Once the ultimates started firing, the mercy would distance themselves from the fight, evade, or take cover, laying down pistol fire or amplifying damage rather than attempting to heal those for whom healing would be useless. As a result, the enemy was less likely to realize that Mercy has Resurrect (the enemy was comparatively difficult to kill, removing the prompt to think about why they were crumbling easily in the first place), Mercy’s team was more likely to pick off a few enemies, and Mercy has successfully baited more ultimates from the enemy team. As a result, her team has more advantages and fewer disadvantages in the post-rez fight.

The only cost to staying with the team was an increased chance of being picked off before being able to revive the team, which just follows the same risk choice explained in the Resurrect section; if taking more controllable risks now helps to mitigate the high risk later, then taking those smaller risks now is safer than not in the long run.

Consequently, reviving a team after hiding typically resulted in a second wipe, while staying with the team until it was unsafe to do so was more likely to yield favorable results. That is why it was “wrong to tell a main-healing character to go off and hide somewhere” . It was a bad tactic, as it usually backfired.

anon63781830 · August 9, 2018, 10:14pm

Regardless of the counter or not, if 3 players combo’d their ultimate to kill the enemy team then they deserve to win because teamwork, why should mercy have one button to delete all their work and destroy every possible way to win after ALL their ult and work gone into the air.

The current one is fine it encourage her to stay near teammate and make her more reliable on her teammate so she can’t abuse SR system like before to climb by one trick.

Mass rez will never come back, mercy mains can make thread every day about it as long they want, dev will not revert something that was legit OP before even with tweaks, I hope dev unlock that mercy megathread so we can see less mercy thread on the front page.

Ginger-12314 · August 9, 2018, 10:18pm

“They deserve to win because they pressed one button. Why should the enemy delete their ‘work’ with one button?!”

NeonLight-21797 · August 9, 2018, 10:18pm

If you read the post Arc linked you, you would see that HideNRez meant leaving a team 5v6, which meant easy win for the 6 member team (WITHOUT spending ults unless they are some potatoes).

Also sorry, couldnt hear that? Abuse the SR system? This bug was fixed ages ago.
I think devs will eventually revert mercy and change her up a little. As hopeless for us mercy players the situation may look, continuing this path will lose them a lot of players (Symm,bastion,torb,mercy and whatever hero they rework). And with less players, less money. As the 30$ lucio emote showed us, they care mainly about money

Ginger-12314 · August 9, 2018, 10:19pm

Yes, she was so OP that she saw almost no tournament play outside of pharmercy on some control maps.

anon63781830 · August 9, 2018, 10:29pm

I am Done now, scroll above to see how hard to use other ultimate comparable with how easy mass rez was.

Ginger-12314 · August 9, 2018, 10:29pm

Not that hard, really.

Hardrada-11168 · August 9, 2018, 10:38pm

I’d recommend adding “and 1500+ Extra ultimate charge” because you get ult
charge for that fight.

So can Transcendence.

So did the old one until invuln was added

1st of all im not a Mercy main, im just a fan of Balanced and current Mercy is not balance-able.
2nd, Mercy WAS BALANCED with team rez, she just had 0 competition for the main healer slot as Ana was thrown into a volcano at that point and Moira wasn’t released. Don’t believe me, why did the pros never use her in tournaments?

Arcalias-2773 · August 9, 2018, 10:41pm

If 3 players combo’d their ultimate but are not able to kill Mercy, who is the highest priority in the game, they deserve to loose.

You know that’s not even true.

SidewaysGts-1926 · August 9, 2018, 10:46pm

It was a “success” in that it successfully moved her away from a play style they decided they didn’t want her in. I actually agree with them here.

It was a failure in the sense that they simultaneously made her unbelievably monstrously OP.

The problem with mercy’s rework is largely that, at its inception, especially regarding her ult- blizzard said let’s come up with ideas for mercy.

They then tossed ideas in a hat.

Then they lost the memo that they was only supposed to pick a couple- and instead added them all.

Ok so we’re going to give her pure flight. And she’ll move faster. And have constant health regen. And additional instant res’s. And increased range on the staff. And it’ll work on a group of people. And we’ll increase the range of guardian Angel. And we’ll increase its speed. And we’ll give her a personal damage boost. And we’ll give her unlimited ammo. And it’ll last so long that you can die to an ulting mercy and her team, wait through the respawn timer, return to the fight, and STILL see her flying around. And…

I can’t imagine the conversations in the office- someone asking “what does Valk do?!”, them listing EVERYTHING it can do, and no one going “isn’t that a bit much?” (Or being ignored when they did) After the 5 minute list of buffs the single ult gave.

It was a failure that we even saw this version of mercy. It should have never been that obviously powerful.

Because the OTHER huge problem for mercy- is that blizzard is notoriously slow on dealing with balance issues.

They released a hero 10x more powerful than she ever should have been- which has needed nothing but nerfs since.

So of course it feels bad when your hero is getting nothing but nerfs for basically a year at this point- whether they need it or not.

That was the biggest failure to me.

BadWidowEU-2419 · August 9, 2018, 10:48pm

Hunny, I know you think you know what the definition of teamwork and you think you’re entitled and you run the world… you don’t, come back to Earth.

MastaChez-1118 · August 9, 2018, 10:51pm

CLEARLY THE REWORK WAS AN ABSOLUTE SUCCESS! YOU FOOLS!

CLEARLY, BASED OF RESULTS, THE REWORK WAS A WILD SUCCESS THATS WHY THERE HAVE BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO NERFS SINCE HER REWORK . . . .oh wait. . .

Orion-1432 · August 10, 2018, 2:34am

The difference is that killing 5 people means you won the fight, and resurrecting 5 people means you get another chance to win the fight.

One of these things is clearly more powerful than the other.

Bobblestone-1433 · August 10, 2018, 4:21am

I agree with you 1000000000000%

Sentari-11140 · August 10, 2018, 5:50am

if by success you mean pile of trash made by incompetent devs with an inferiority complex so big they can’t listen to the people who play her… then yes.